Newbie 178 - Game Over

[Vaughn]

FOS: Thok

because he's being TOO helpful

Joking aside,

vote: Prof Blinky

for being the last to confirm, I was waiting forever for my first game to start =P

[Vaughn]

The plot thickens

dun dun dun...

I'm going to

unvote

for now, and make a more intelligent (not random) vote later when some facts surface.

[Vaughn]

Mod: vote count please! [Too lazy to check]

[Vaughn]

3 person bandwagon sounds interesting:

Vote: Eucalyptus

[Vaughn]

(Vaughn's claimed interest in putting a 3rd vote on Eucalyptus strikes me as equally interesting).

What third vote? I beleive i'm the second vote on Eucalyptus, and my vote is only a balancing vote, so that we have 3 [2 now] equal bandwagons. However, considering how Eucalyptus still hasn't posted, my vote on him still stands.

[Vaughn]

Vaughn-read post 17 in the thread. You clearly express interest in a 3 person bandwagon.

Didn't I clearly explain my 3 person bandwagon vote with my post?

my vote is only a balancing vote, so that we have 3 [2 now] equal bandwagons. However, considering how Eucalyptus still hasn't posted, my vote on him still stands.[/quote

[Vaughn]

Whoops... got a bit too trigger happy on the submit there, Mod please remove above post because it will be the double post:

Vaughn-read post 17 in the thread. You clearly express interest in a 3 person bandwagon.

Didn't I clearly explain my 3 person bandwagon vote with my post?

my vote is only a balancing vote, so that we have 3 [2 now] equal bandwagons. However, considering how Eucalyptus still hasn't posted, my vote on him still stands.

[Vaughn]

Well you're thinking of the 3rd and 4th vote in a narrow minded way.

Sure it screams scummy but it's sometimes needed to get the day along. From one newbie to another, it's best to play off of the IC players, they really know what they're doing, but don't be too trustworthy because they might be the Mafia.

[Vaughn]

I think your inexperience is showing, RA

Although I'd like to lynch someone and move onto the day 2, but it's better if we lynch correctly. In such a small game, one incorrect lynch could set us up for a brutal game. I don't want us to lose any pro-town roles early or it gets incredibly hard to win.

As for Thok and his post 38: I'd like to know why you think I'm suspicious, but I'm a beleiver of goes around, comes around:

unvote, vote Thok

[Vaughn]

Thok:

1. I

always

claimed that i wanted 3 equal bandwagons of 2 votes (Post 26). Post 34 was only a reconformation.

After i looked back, I realized that I had made an error in vote-counting (Forgetting that my vote gets taken

from

Prof Blinky). I'm an anxious newbie.

2 & 3. I'm not trying to bandwagon all of the newbies to take down the IC players. I just don't think anyone is

really

scummy. And for the claim that i'm buddying up with RandomActs: I'm only trying to offer tips to any newbie. I've read some games and there seems to be some general consensus on how to play this game effectively.

The "lynch all liars" is a great rule and i fully endorse it, but I haven't lied and I don't plan to.

[Vaughn]

Almost a day has gone by (short 5 hours) and Randomacts looks like he's still in the game. Let's analyze who voted for RA so far:

Binky, Fritz, and DP are the 3 voters:

- DP claims to vote simply because he wanted to get the ball rolling again.
- Fritz on the otherhand, is voting for RA because of his actions in another game: meta-gaming.
- Blinky's vote (also the first) has more credit to it than the others, claiming that a 3rd vote early is a tactic used by scum.

Given the participation from these 3 so far, I'd have to believe that Fritz has the scummiest reason to vote.

Fritz has noted:

Honestly you should claim, you have nothing to lose by claiming. If you claim cop, a doc will protect you if we have one, if doc, at least you soak up a night kill, and can let us target someone else who could be mafia.

Fritzler's fishing for our doctor, if he was a townie, he shouldn't care who our doctor is just yet, because if our doc was ever on the verge of being lynched, he'd claim and save himself at night.

Well, you should claim on the off chance that you are one of those roles. Either way I'm gonna be pissed if you turn up the cop.

I read this and think "good job covering your butt". I don't beleive he'd truly be angry we if lost our cop, in fact I beleive he'd be delighted that we lynched our cop first day.

So for those reasons,

unvote, vote: Fritzler

[Vaughn]

What's there to re-read? We're at 4 pages, and All I see is newbies picking at each other for the lack of posts. RA sounds scummier with each post, but I like how he's trying hard to get us to listen to him. It

sounds

sincere, but then again that could just be his game.

That's all I've got so far (well I have more, but we all have a little that we don't share with others, at least not until we can formulate a sensible conclusion to it).

[Vaughn]

What you think wishy-washy, I simply think uninformed. I don't know enough to formulate any conclusions.

[Vaughn]

Why should anyone defend me, but myself Thok? You think I've behaved scummy, I've already countered you. You've voted for me, and I've voted for you.

If anything it sounds like you're trying to fish for someone to help me, as if I had a partner in the game. In all honesty, you have been acting pretty scummy as of late, i.e. the fishing.

Lurking seems to be a problem for us in this newbie-game. A townie not participating is just as bad as mafia. Why? Because it detracts from our game and only causes confusion. We can't get a sense of anyone's innocence if they keep quiet. While it's true that you can't expect everyone to post daily, they should've at least made some contribution to the game by now. How does it go?

"You are as strong as your weakest link"

We've gotta take out our weak links so they don't come back to haunt us. If I were Mafia, I'd definately kill our more vocal players first because it kills discussion, which would lead to an easy win.

My counter-proposal to you is:

Why should I not vote for

you?

[Vaughn]

I concede/confirm that my vote on you was simply OMGUS, and not a vote that you're scummy.

[Vaughn]

(Mainly because he asks Thok for a reason not to vote for him, yet concedes that his vote his omgus)

Where's your fancy metagaming analysis now?

I love to fish, that's all I can say.

[Vaughn]

Isn't there a fish called lampfish?

If so, we can both be happy.

[Vaughn]

Euca's around, I'm in other games with him, but he's just as reticent there as he is here.

[Vaughn]

wow DP, doesn't that put Euca at 3 and on the edge?

I guess we'll get to hear a claim or something.

[Vaughn]

Well, if no-one has the guts to ever cast a third vote, we will still be here by Christmas.

Lead On Cap'n... wondor if there's a captain role on this "ship"

[Vaughn]

I'm a hammering in the morning... I'mma hammering in the evening...
I'm hammering all over the town (is that the song?)

[Vaughn]

Vote count please!

I'm lazy I know, and It might even spur some life into Euca if he realizes he's on the edge.

[Vaughn]

Isn't it customary to give 24 hours?

[Vaughn]

I dont know.. Euca's being quite irresponsible by not even turning up to defend himself...

"Drop the bomb" *dances*

Ahh... good ol' DDR days.

[Vaughn]

Dun dun dun!

Is it twilight?

[Vaughn]

someone should prod the mod.. teehee

[Vaughn]

I've never played a game where both our cop and doctor died before day 2...

I'm going to re-read and post later.

[Vaughn]

After a re-read I've noticed a few things, just little points of interest really.

- We need to hear from DP, I'm curious of his thoughts on our situation, because he's the only one whom we haven't heard much of.
- post 106: RA says to Thok:

You mentioned relationships as a factor in analyzing the game. As I did my re-read, I notice that you were trying to disuade us from targeting the inactives. You may have good reasons for doing so. In fact, I'm sure you do have sound reasons. But one possible explanation is that you were trying to protect one of them. I just want that to be on the record as we continue our discussion.

I

want

to say that whoever wanted Fritz day-lynched, nightkilled him instead. But that's too crude and barely passable as a suggestion. However, if that were the case, Blinky and I our your suspects. Blinky because he definately expressed his thoughts on Fritz's "scummy behaviour".

Fritzler has given some not too believable reasons for some of his actions (see my last post). He also currently has two votes.

My post (69), where I accused Fritz of being scummy was based on his "fishing"-style, which I admittedly use. The reason behind my vote for Fritzler was to remove my vote on Thok to see if he would simply leave me be if I unvoted him (mafia-tell). Luckily he didn't, but he didn't push the vote on me either (he if did, it would be another mafia-tell). I can't explain it completely, but it's like a good vibe coming from Thok, which makes me want to beleive he's clean.

Anyways, as far as I could see, Only Blinky and I openly discussed our thoughts on Fritz. By posting this first, I'm trying to elimate the chance of a scum using this as a basis for our Day 2 lynch. Framing

is

a scum-tactic afterall.

Perhaps the most interesting thing is RA's post to Thok. I distinctively felt that Thok wanted to protect the lurkers. I'm going to take a hunch that he wanted to stand up for DP, since DP wasn't saying much. But we never targetted DP, and Thok was still campaigning. Now, you could say that was to set up his Day 2 moves, but It's more likely that he's just trying to push good playing style on us. If that's the case, I'm even more inclined to think that Thok is clean (or a Genius mastermind ).

This whole "relationship" thing that we've been throwing around has really got me thinking, and it occured to me that the majority of our discussion has been between RA and Thok, suspicious?

Maybe

It could be that the scum have decided to be vocal with each other and start the game off at opposite ends, as to not draw attention to both of them at once.

But it would seem contradictory with everything else I've come up with... which pretty much leaves me back where I started.

Let's hear what everyone has to say.

Who's next?

[Vaughn]

Hey Guys, Sorry for being away for a couple of days, relatives and a house party are pretty distracting.

We read what's going on and post later today.

[Vaughn]

Let's get back into the groove:

Why I didn't vote for Euca - I have my own suspicions on who was scum and I voted accordingly. I'm not saying Euca wasn't scummy, but I felt Fritz was scummier.

Seeing how you guys were wrong on Euca, can't you cut me some slack on my wrong guess on Fritz?

But moving onto perhaps our final day (l-o-l)... I think my suspicions have to rest on a DP-RA team. DP's pretty much stayed non-vocal throughout this entire game, so it's difficult to get a feel for his play, unlike everyone else.

I beleive in Thok's innocence, i just hope i'm right on it (I've already stated my reasons earlier, and reading on what's been going on only confirms it).

Blinky, oh blinky, everyone's after you... probably because you tried to convince us with your numbers but it backfired and now the town's attention is on you. Misguided attempt as townie or scum-tell? I've got to hear your defense on Thok/RA's accusations.

DP on the otherhand keeps on changing his mind, first Blinky now Thok, are you trying to cause confusion? It's difficult to say because it's hard to get a read on him, as i've stated.

RA is mischieveous(sp?), I beleive he may have been playing his "newbie" role a little

too

well, but then again maybe he's just new to the game. His play is well-thought out for a newbie though... or maybe I'm just not giving him enough credit.

DP is right about one thing: We have to take a plunge, but we don't know enough yet. Guess we'll have to hear more from Blinky and DP.

[Vaughn]

Seems like we've all added our two cents so:

@RA - To be fair, just because I don't share my thought process or my analysis, it doesn't make me any less serious about this game.

I rather take it lightly and play the game for what it is, a game of guile and loose lips.

But I feel it's about time we took a plunge.

Now I know we shouldn't be making random votes, because we're at L-o-L. But I have an unsettling feeling about Thok. Despite his helpfulness, I have to remember the likelihood of him being scum are just the same as anyone else's.

However, RA and DP are the scummiest so far. I just don't think DP's putting the effort that we're all putting into this game, probably because he thinks he's either a) already won this game or b) feels comfortably safe. A and B are equally as probable. I don't beleive anyone should feel that comfortable right now. We could lose this game and it seems like he could care less.

Blinky and I seem to agree on a RA-DP combo, Thok, what are your thoughts?

I'm ready and willing to place a vote on either RA or DP, but I want to hear from Thok first, on that off-chance i'm wrong.

[Vaughn]

Thok- Oh no, I'm not seeking your permission/approval. I simply want to confirm my thoughts on you.

RA, what do you mean? I've already explained my reasoning on DP. I feel that he's hiding something from us and at l-o-l, you have to put your cards on to table if you're town. Any ignorance or careless play will lose us the game.

If you want my reasoning on suspecting you, then it has to lie with the fact that you've played the lurking card, and now you say nothing about it. Sure DP isn't lurking, but he isn't contributing to the point that you have. I would assume you'd be on his case, but you aren't. Before you claim that Thok has educated you on proper play, I would just like to point out that you haven't said anything on DP other than the fact that he's a big mystery and that it concerns you.

"Wishy-Washy" or what?

You and DP are my choices. In fact, I think you two are the mafioso, and i'm willing to:

vote: RA

[Vaughn]

EBWOP:

vote: RandomActs

[Vaughn]

I'm sold on a RA-DP duo, To me, they're both scum. I simply chose RA over DP because RA's taken a decidely more aggressive stance, thus is threat-level is greater.

I'm positive RA's scum after reading his vote on me. It's obvious he's panicking and the way that DP put out:

Well, the die is cast by having a first vote out there. If we do not see two more votes coming soon, we can safely assume that either Randomacts or Vaugh is scum

It sounds like DP's trying to cover himself. We know that RA's scum, and he's trying to distance himself without seeming scummy.

I'm going to need both your support Thok, as well as Blinky on this one. If you want to vote for DP, I could go for that too, but I think RA's slipped up and my vote stands.

[Vaughn]

I've been careful, I've been collecting info and getting a feel for the players, and you stand out like a weed in a flower garden.

It's taken me some time and all your posts this day to make my decision. You haven't refuted the "anti-lurking" comment, and you simply misconstrue(sp) my take on DP's dilemma post. I never thought his post was illogical, simply cover-up. Do you understand what a cover-up is? Good cover-ups are ones that are plausible, and he's right. You are the scum.

[Vaughn]

I'd like to second that, DP hasn't made any comments on the situation between RA and I. Blinky is correct when assuming that either I or RA is scum, because the game hasn't ended yet. Thok hasn't placed his vote, and DP hasn't even posted in a long while.

I'm 100% positive on the RA-DP duo.

[Vaughn]

It looks like DP was right, plenty of time has lapsed... Thok, DP, and Blinky have commented... and you're still alive.

You are the scum. You would be dead by now if you weren't. DP made a logical contribution which increases his value to the town, allowing him to maneuver for tomorrow.

I'm still waiting on Blinky's post to see what he thinks.

[Vaughn]

I admit that DP and Blinky's posts were logical and that I am in the same boat with you.

We've been at each other for a few days now, and there won't be an end to it until the town beleives one of us. Albeit your posts have been more conclusive than mine, I don't think you're going to get off the hook so easily.

My concerns about you have been raised:

- Your wishy-washy statements on who is scum.

You prod at my posts for not being serious enough because they don't contain the analytical style that you so enjoy using. My question for you is why haven't you made a move? If you had been analyzing all of our posts since Day 1, shouldn't you already have a feel for Mafia? Your 2nd Day posts started out dramatically different than Day 1. It wasn't until I voted for you that you sprung into action. I saw this as a panic, and IGMEOY ever since.

- You haven't said anything to suggest that I'm scum other than my reasons for attacking you.

Your defense has simply been to counter whatever claims I had against you. The only statement I've seen would be

We need time to think. I want the town to carefully consider their votes. I want all the information to come out. Then we can vote. I don’t think you should rush them.

I agree that we need the time to think, but the first thing that came to my mind was the fact that you were stalling, hoping that time will subside any momentum I have on you.


Thok, Blinky, and DP have a page of our argument, and they have yet to decide.

As a counter-claim, the town knows that you don't have any dirt on me. I'm clean and I've played positively for the town throughout. I recall you've stated that I didn't vote for Euca on Day 1, perhaps in an attempt to distance myself. I would like to switch that around you: Why were you so adament on a fast Day 1 lynch?

But to remain on topic, I feel that for the past few days all I've been doing is explaining why I think you're scum. I could still go for days, but I would like to end this discussion:

One of us is scum, it's up to the town to decide

[Vaughn]

What the...

Vaughn wrote:
But to remain on topic, I feel that for the past few days all I've been doing is explaining why I think you're scum. I could still go for days, but I would like to end this discussion:

One of us is scum, it's up to the town to decide

I just want to make sure the town hears these words. Vaughn wants to end the discussion. Again . . he wasnt to end the discussion, even though he says there are days' worth of reasons to present. He wants the town to vote now. I can only wonder why? Reason #2 in my previous post comes to mind.

Really Vaughn, if you have more information to share, you owe it to the town to present it. As I have repeatedly stated, the town needs all the information it can get. But if you're at the end of your charges, having failed to prove any of them, I suggest you admit defeat and remove your vote.

Er... wasn't I simply stating the obvious? I voted you, you voted me, we're waiting on Thok, Blinky, and your scum-buddy DP to decide. I'm not trying to rush anything. I'm simply telling you that I've had enough of our argument, we've both put our thoughts out and I'm tired of explaining myself over and over.

If anything your last post looked like a desperate attack because you have nothing else to go on.

[Vaughn]

I'm surprised DP hasn't voted me off yet, maybe he hasn't logged on yet.

[Vaughn]

Hmm Twilight?

Thanks for the great chinese new year present guys

[Vaughn]

Hey AndrewS, you should change the topic title for the thread, so the others know you're on Day 3.

[Vaughn]

It was a great game... and our inexperience shone through

I had a great time though, and no hard feelings RA, I've already told you why I did what I did, and I felt you were pretty close too.

Hands down to Thok, for avoiding suspicion throughout the entire game while maintaining a powerful presence. You're like the Mafia-Sensei

Yes Fritz... we killed you