Newbie 1041 - So Cold Newbies (OVER!)

[aaah400]

Vote:Ibarra

for making first accuse but also accusing Moose from previous game


@Ibarra
1. I like playing both Mafia and Town
2. Liars should be lynched unless they have a general statement
3. Depends on how long

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@demonhybrid

oh so im not allowed to be serious then? im just saying
usually first people who comment are mafia
and y do u say that? is it because ur safe and trying to cover up yourself and make me take the accuse? xD

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@demonhybrid

im keeping my eye on u too
u might be trying to save ibarra since he is mafia and u r too
hmmm... XD we shall see

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@demonhybrid
hmm ok xD
im keeping my eye on u too
u might be trying to save ibarra since he is mafia and u r too
hmmm... XD we shall see

I would have said the same thing for anyone else if they had accused someone for something first, even you, if the same argument was used against you. I see your point, however misguided it might be.



Also, as an aside for everyone, do not take elite status as consideration for voting someone. For example, don't

not

vote me just because I have more experience, or seem to know what I'm talking about. Anyone could be scum.

[aaah400]

this forum thing is hard to use D:
im not good with forums yet but ill get used to it i hope
still one person is yet to post

[aaah400]

this forum thing is hard to use D:
im not good with forums yet but ill get used to it i hope
still one person is yet to post

i meant few more people yet need to post

[aaah400]

usually first people who comment are mafia

I have to agree with DemonHybrid here. I don't see how commenting first is scummy.

On a sidenote, moose still hasn't answered my questions and yuri-chi has yet to post.[/quote]

well. its just my opinion o.o

[aaah400]

omg i suck at using this forum D:

[aaah400]

Perhaps as a townie you could falsely state that you are a cop in order to confuse the mafia and increase the chance of the mafia making a mistake and killing the townie rather than the cop. It is also likely that the mafia will claim to be a townie to cover their identity rather than a specific job such as a doctor or a cop. The lying from a townie would be especially beneficial if the cop has happened to check the role of the falsely claiming townie before and it would provide the cop a shield while he goes on checking someone else who may be the mafia. But I do see the problem that it could backfire and confuse the town instead, and also the fact that the lying would not work if there is no cop but a doctor instead. I acknowledge this fact and take back what I have said.[/quote]

i agree. its obvious isnt it o.o

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yura-chi needs to be prodded or something o.o taking forever to post

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lol this game is sure getting rapid lol
anyhow i agree that random vote this stage is bit late but also tyler should still get an avatar xD
hmmm.. so... ill keep my eye on tyler at this stage of the game as well as demonhybrid

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hmmmm

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tylers actions are very suspicious and demon read the old posts

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@Ibarra
i just said im keeping my eye out wth
ibarra makes no sense at all -o-
and the evidence for me keeping an eye out is posted already.
do u read properly? -o-??

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or r u trying to cover up for yourself since u are mafia hmmm?

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aaah400, what's so suspicious about "reading old posts"?[/quote]

@CrazyQuestions

Reading old post will give u an idea of there reactions to the situation they are currently in. if they are accused for being mafia or become suspicious
there behaviors will differ.

[aaah400]

and someone help me using the quote thing D:

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@Ibaara

thx for telling me how to use the forum quoting thing
anyhow

*how does asking, what is suspicious about a person, make me mafia? And how is it "covering up for myself*

hmmm u asked me this. As u said my answers was worded not properly. All I have done was reading old posts and there actions up to this points differs but also seems to me there reactions to these is quite weird to me.

[quote="aaah400" *Reading old post will give u an idea of there reactions to the situation they are currently in. if they are accused for being mafia or become suspicious there behaviors will differ*

*How is that suspicious at all? You look for differences in reactions before and after, and point them out. That is scumhunting. You've just defeated your own argument.*

how is this defeating my own argument? i have said in my answers that reading old posts and the actions currently shall have differed from the previous actions. of course peoples reactions will change if they are accused as they try to escape if they are accused.

also

eg

lets say u voted for tyler and he becomes an easy target while i try to persuade people to accuse kadersalad and suddenly change my lynching vote to tyler, immediately this reactions reveals that i want to kill tyler as he is an easy target as mafias want to kill people as soon as they can

is this well explained now?

[aaah400]

and can someone tell me how to link quotes together please? thx u as im not good to using forums

[aaah400]

Ok so I saw this one another forum, and I think it's a good question:

Do you think it would be more beneficial to vote for a lynching on the first day and hope that it's a mafia member, or to not have a lynching on the first day, and consider the death tonight an acceptable loss?
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well we should wait and see what other people say as well as your own opinion
we all have different opinions towards eachother as we dont know whos what and stuff
we should wait and just have majority rules over a person who finds most suspicious

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??

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i just said in the text before, its an example of reading old posts and how it will affect the difference to behavior.

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y do demon and tyler keep backing eachother up? up till this point they followed eachother and agreed to eachothers opinions
always helping eachother?

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if someone has majority votes, what happens? Does the targetted person get a say or does he get lynches straight away?

[aaah400]

Unvote:Ibaara

At this stage of the game ive been checking DemonHybrid is teaming up with Tylerjavis but this can be early stage teaming but 4 me Tylers last post made himself suspicious saying...
[quote=tylerjavis]Unvote:KaderSalad at this point just to try and clear the air[/quote]

here he changes after as soon as CrazyQuestions has unvoted his vote from Kadersalad
in this case, he is following what other people are doing, following other people trying to look for other clues is quite strange to me.
not only that, he went for Kadersalad because he was an easy target but kadersalad claims himself as a townie

[quote=tylerjavis]I switched my vote from Kader to CrazyQuestions earlier. I still have my suspicions about CrazyQuestions. But if it really is in the best interest of the townspeople to lynch on the first day, then I suppose I will (somewhat skeptically) UnVote: CrazyQuestions and Vote: KaderSalad[/quote]

here proves he is targetting for easy targets right here and here also tylerjavis states

[quote=tylerjavis]I'm still not entirely convinced. But I'd rather increase our chances of getting a lucky hit against Kader than sit back and watch us die.[/quote]

here he reveals he has his eyes on CrazyQuestions which he voted Crazy as Crazy's actions were suspicious to him but here he is going for easy targets such as Kadersalad in this case. tylerjavis here reveals he is trying to kill someone fast as possible which here for me shows he is mafia.

Vote:Tylerjavis

[aaah400]

Welcome aboard Nachomamma8 xD
anywho
lol and how am i newbie? lol
its actually credible reactions and statements
and i dont like how CrazyQuestions posts are long too much to read XD!!

[aaah400]

lol demon is trying to support tyler which may indicate they are both mafias possibly

[aaah400]

This is my analysis which indicates my opinions towards each player in this game so far...

Escho:

I dont find Escho suspicious at this point as he does give relevant points and he doesnt talk much (not trying so hard out) but i do want to see more posts made by Escho= Townie? Cop?

Kadersalad:

Suspicious through his posts as he is as he switches votes very easily indicating he may want to lynch someone fast. = Suspicious list :/

CrazyQuestions:

Makes long posts and trying very hard but not too much relevant posts then again making users busy by making users post something = Cop? Townie? Mafia?

Tylerjavis:

My vote is on Tylerjavis at the moment as he also switches votes very easily and is being supported by Demonhybrid = Mafia?

Demonhybrid:

Supports Tylerjavis a lot even though Tylerjavis is a suspicious suspect. Helping Tylerjavis too much = Mafia?

Nachomamma8:

Still no posts made by this user so i have no clue = Townie?

Ibaara:

My first suspect as he chose me as his first target and kept putting me into one spot as if i was a mafia user. = Suspicious list :/

Moose:

In the middle of the game he did rage and also is a bit quiet = Cop? Townie?

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@CrazyQuestions

Escho:

Perhaps as a townie you could falsely state that you are a cop in order to confuse the mafia and increase the chance of the mafia making a mistake and killing the townie rather than the cop

This is relevant quote made by Escho as mafias will try to escape lynching. Not only he gives relevant information

Escho:

Just here, you have compiled what tylerjarvis has previously stated and you are suggesting that he is perhaps lying, and thus should be lynched? From what I understand he has voted just for the sake of voting, and here explains that he has taken no serious consideration to who he has voted for nor much thinking into his voting

He supports his information efficiently and taking all opinions into consideration and deals with it carefully.

You Stated

aaah400:

My vote is on Tylerjavis at the moment as he also switches votes very easily and is being supported by Demonhybrid

CrazyQuestions

Agree on the switches. How is being supported by someone else suspicious??

Tyler being backed up by demonhybrid may indicate they are both mafia. Mafias will want to help eachother by not getting lynched as more mafias remaining will have easier advantage of winning rather than having one mafia left in the game

CrazyQuestions:

(Ibarra) How is that a signal of scumminess? Do you consider his attack insincere? Review the reasons for which he attacked you, and tried to see it from a neutral point of view

Well Ibarra has been repetitively asking me same questions about "how is reading old posts suspicious" not only that he kept tackling me by using the same question over and over and i have answered his questions. Also to me as i mentioned at my old post about how he keeps asking same questions just to make me suspicious of mafia and not himself, this mean that he is making me take the blame of mafia and not himself

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P.S. Someone help me how yo link quotes together :S

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Teaming up doesnt mean they always have to agree and follow each others ideas all the time. They both can have different opinions and should sometimes argue to see correct and whos wrong but here they always agree and never disagree

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well seems to me we have different opinions towards these two players, we should see what happens as the game progresses
but i do believe Demon helps Tyler more than other players :/

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well i think u do help Tyler more than anyone else in my point of view.
Who agrees?

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UnVote: CrazyQuestions

I originally voted for Crazy because I was having a bad day......and her posts were annoying me.

well thats not very kind :/ just because u had a bad day doesnt mean u vote random people. r u ok now? XD

although i agree sometimes Crazy's posts are long and some are relevant and some are not

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Also Crazy's Last post does make a point about how demon(came out as tyler? by accident?) is manipulating.

this shows team work between mafias? the more demon helps, the more suspicious to me he becomes :/

[aaah400]

"Play the Newbie Card Gambit". Wats the Play the newbie card gambit ?

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well i agree with Nacho's statement about how not reading posts is anti-town behavior but it is important to read all the posts then we can tell whats happening and have own opinions.
i mean, townies do have to read posts but also mafias and cops etc.. have to read posts as well. If they dont read posts, it may be lurking to see whats happening but also they might have there own way of playing the game

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LOL i actually think Demon and Tyler are mafia :/
Only Helping Eachother out

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@Demon

Well since the beginning of this game
i have been suspecting u as mafia
and i do believe now u are mafia with tylerjavis
from the start u have been copying and teamplaying since the beginning
also wen ever u 2 are in danger
u 2 always help eachother

even now moose is in the corner as u 2 are both ganging on him

nacho,moose and i think now u 2 are mafia

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LOL?! u dont read properly dont u?

i said me moose and nacho think u are mafia

jeez read properly

[aaah400]

Unvote

and

Vote:Demon

trying to put me into one position and not reading posts properly

and he team plays with tyler only

[aaah400]

what other content is needed, tyler was suspicious since the beginning of the game if u read old post
and now and IC should help all players and what r u doing?
Teaming with Tyler all the way
also u said "Also, why don't you start saying something useful instead of parroting everyone?"
well this is saying im agreeing to others sayings
also i have no reason to be voted anyway
u just voted me because im just saying u are teaming up with tyler
and u r u got to admit

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so basically u voted me because im being annoying?
ok then vote me if u want
but if im lynched nothing will be gained
as for you, if u get lynched, we maybe able to reveal if tyler is mafia with u

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well ure saying the same thing saying i didnt post new content
and no new content is needed wen u and tyler keep teaming up since the game began

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lol its called emphasizing bro
please
dont be moron if u are the IC

[aaah400]

I am defending tyler from crappy attacks and tyler is ATTACKING me instead. You know that means it isn't mutual, but an independent action on my part, right

.

Ok then lets use this as an example

Currently you are defending Tyler from crap attacks and u claim that he is attacking u

Tylerjavis's vote is currently on moose200x

if he is attacking u, then y did he not vote u then?

u guys got to be joking

u probably know eachother's positions in the game

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this is another question?

If we were buddying, you did know that town buddies, and far more often than scum does because scum likes to distance themselves from each other, right? Yes, scum buddies too, but not as often as people think.

ok lets answer this question now

well of course townies do buddy more often. It is because there are more townies than mafias

but in your case, u are only buddying with 1 guy, helping 1 guy and supporting 1 guy = tylerjavis

Happy?

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@Kadersalad

Lol actually i do write properly unlike u who writes 1 sentence

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aaah400, what is your thoughts on Kader's play so far? Go into specifics and cite examples, please. One sentence per ISO (Isolated list of posts, done by the "Display posts by user" bar at the bottom of each page) post is fine.

Why do u swap topics?

it isnt your business and now u are budging in because u are mafia.
u are in panic mode

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of course i can answer this but n
#no.1 i got to know wats ISO is
#no.2 y did u swap topics
#no.3 y so curious?

[aaah400]

such a nice IC arnt u?

didnt answer wat ISO is nice shot
u should be replaced

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and btw is this everyones business? i think its only me and kader mr

[aaah400]

u didnt answer wat ISO is omfg

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can u post it on here because my internet has slowed down :/ finished internet usage :/ only barely managing to post and read :/

[aaah400]

can u post it on here because my internet has slowed down :/ finished internet usage :/ only barely managing to post and read :/

the iso thing. about the parenthesis thing :/

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#no.2 y did u swap topics

2. I need more information on what you think of Kadersalad. Our argument was going nowhere.

well seems to me u swapped topics because u are being put into one spot

and actually our argument was moving forward until u suddenly swapped topics

and i commented to Kadersalad and not to u so please do not budge in

[aaah400]

OH and thx u for kindly helping me with the ISO

[aaah400]

Vote: yura-chi, He hasn't posted yet.

well this is acceptable as this was his first vote so might as well call it random vote stage

Vote: tylerjarvis for becoming suspicious (Post 16 does show heavy evidence that you were planning on making a Vote. If it was a random vote, then that would contradict post 13 on how you wanted to wait to "Random Vote". However, if it wasn't a random vote, then you must have good reason for voting for me.)

i actually agreed with kadersalad at this stage about Tyler on post 16 BUT!

I'm starting to feel like CrazyQuestions is becoming a real hindrance to Investigations, but so far, I do not think "over-analyzing" is enough to make her scum, But Now, I am just using my intuition.

Apparently there is no more point in what I had to say about tyler, so, I am going to UnVote:tylerjarvis and Vote:CrazyQuestions.

This is his third vote and so soon he vote-hopped. He supported his evidence on Tyler's action of suspiciousness but here he says there is no more point voting tyler after he has supported his evidence. also he voted CrazyQuestions due to long posts

UnVote: CrazyQuestions
I originally voted for Crazy because I was having a bad day......and her posts were annoying me.

Now here is very random. just because he had a bad day, he changed his vote onto crazyquestions? This maybe an excuse trying to escape from being targeted and also he did support his saying by saying he is posting alot

honestly would like to Vote:DemonHybrid.

do I even need to give a reason now? You have done nothing but to try to make a neverending case against me. First it started out as a Random Vote. Innocent enough, but then it grew and grew. It is like you can not live on unless I die today. You even make it sound like it's just step one, setting up lynches for day 2 even before the first lynch. I have vote hopped(for foolish reasons), but so has tyler. But you must apparently be omniscient, guess you know 100% what I am.

Perhaps you don't want to let it go because you don't want to look like you are "vote hopping". However, people CAN change their minds, and decide to, well, make different desicions.

Yes i do like his vote on demon as i voted him as well but here he changed votes again. Yes I do agree with Kadersalad on how people can change there minds but he does change his vote continuously. This doesn't mean i am targeting Kadersalad at this point well he is suspicious at the moment and also i would like to see explanation of y he has voted demon in the first place.

And finally his last few posts does not provide any information wat so ever but he just called me stupid for not writing properly

@Kadersalad. maybe u should play properly, read properly, write properly yourself and stop abusing other players for minor mistakes

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tyler is first very unsure about whether he should vote or not. He then votes randomly after I explain that random votes help give us information then switches gears on Crazy. This was after about 4 or 5 sessions of the same question.).

Well can u show me evidence about this point about how Tyler is THINKING about voting u?

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Also Y isnt Ibaara Posting anything now? and also i wish to see moose post more often

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aaah400<<<<<<<<<< I would just call this guy just straight up stupid,Come on, how about you speak properly..

Well i dont like the way u said that. that is just abusing player for no specific reason.

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MERRY CHRISTMAS

[aaah400]

Ok then. Since Demon says i lurk. Ill post by doing an ISO like Kadersalad he requested

@aaah400: Is making the first accusation bad to you, and why?

Well it was my opinion as mafias need to persuade people to lynch someone

The best way to effectively tell if someone is or is not mafia is to look at their motivation for their actions

Yes i am looking at ur actions with tyler buddying up

A mafioso will try their hardest to not draw attention to themselves in order to blend in with this crowd.

In my point of view, i dont see u blending in with the crowd here but this may be a saying to help other players

Be careful when using #4, as one person's actions in one game doesn't necessarily mean they will repeat those same actions as the same alignment on a different game.

I do not know how u played your last games but i do know u are buddying up with Tyler

And I would agree with him; You are trying too hard to look for the connections. Here, tyler may have chosen a poor reason for a random vote (as it looks semi-serious on the surface)

Here already u are helping Tyler as Crazy is trying to corner Tyler for his random vote. Well it was his random vote stage so i guess it is ok for u to help

1. Originally, I voted Kader randomly. When I said that I was out of RVS, it was because he voted for the same reason why you're suspecting tyler. I could easily say that you're scum for the same thing, but I think the vote shows that he's a little too eager to jump on the tyler suspicion as opposed to your constant questioning (which is a good thing). Now, I have further reason to suspect him; his jump onto you. Before his jump onto your wagon, he agreed and constantly pushed the tylerjarvis "random vote" fiasco of a case...and now, all of a sudden, he's okay with the lynch of the person who he's agreeing with.

Yes U did vote kadersalad randomly and he is of course suspicious as i have shown u through my ISO but u have voted me just for lurking and repeating my sayings.. How funny is that. U have evidence of kadersalad of being mafia for his actions but u just accuse me as mafia just for repetitive sayings.

I would agree that Kader is our best bet and the most likely Day 1 lynch. Hop aboard the train.

of course u said kadersalad is our best vote at this stage

tyler is just as close to go as Kader is for today

Haha. u dont mention other people who voted kader but u support tylers case here?

Do not vote Kadersalad once more, or he will be lynched with no way to unvote. We still need some more analysis and information on him.

After u have cornered Kadersalad with evidience, now u want to save him from being lynched. And u wanted to lynch him but u said we need more analysis. u already showed evidence and u voted him and u wanted to lynch him but suddenly u change your mind by saying we need more information. Suspicious

Like I said, I'm far from rushing

Haha u cornered kadersalad and u wanted to lynch him but u suddenly wanted more analysis. seems to me your rushing

[quote"Demonhybrid"]Truthfully, to me, either Tyler (who doesn't deserve it)[/quote]

Again you helped Tyler from being lynched

A lot of people seem to be suspecting me for "buddying" with Tyler. I am merely noting that it's logically not a good bet to support his lynch and I think he's a town read.

Well of course you are buddying up with tyler and u only have been helping him from tight corners from edge of being lynched

I don't help Tyler more than anyone else. I just find that the suspicion against him is entirely ridiculous

You do help him the most -o-

I just think he's my strongest town read at the moment; of course I'm going to defend him because I think the case against him is entirely without merit

Sure sure, two mafias buddying up in my point of view

tyler doesn't vote at first, but votes later on after being pushed to the point of frustration due to dead horse beating

Well since Tylerjavis was being asked by Crazyquestions very often, he may show desperation and needs back up and doesnt want to get lynched on the first day

You realize that you've said "you're teaming with tyler" in the last 5 posts and nothing else, right? You have NO fresh content.

Well now im supporting this claim through this ISO and u just vote me for parroting everyone wen i have been suspecting u from the start of the game and you just keep saying that so i can be put up for lynch just for parroting.

I am defending tyler from crappy attacks and tyler is ATTACKING me instead. You know that means it isn't mutual, but an independent action on my part, right?

hmmmm? I will have to see but we can see that u are buddying up from Tyler being lynched and supporting him. Many people do support the idea that tyler is mafia in our opinions but u claim he is not mafia because for stupid claims. Everyone gets a say and have own opinions

I even agree that Demon is suspicious and with one of the reasons you listed.

U havent agreeed once, u agreed very often and have similar actions

aaah400, what is your thoughts on Kader's play so far? Go into specifics and cite examples, please. One sentence per ISO (Isolated list of posts, done by the "Display posts by user" bar at the bottom of each page) post is fine.

I have posted kaders play but i dont see why u have suddenly changed topics. which u claim

It is everyone's business what you think of Kader's play so far

It is everyones business WHO suspect kader as mafia

Compare tyler's play with Kader's.

Now both suspicious. Tyler = blame crazy for so many questions and statements. Buddying up
Kader= vote hop, no support in answer

without any more relevant information

I dont see what more information is required as everyone (most people) can see u and tyler are buddying up and having similar actions

My opinion towards u and tyler will be kept the same unless there is any support from the progress of the game

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I shouldnt be lynched just for lurking and i did post my evidence and analysis on demonhybrid up till this stage so i should be lynched just for lurking now

@Ibarra wat is NK?

[aaah400]

Dude, I'm the IC. I tell things how they are.

So u are basically saying u are the IC of this game and u have the power over this game by people listening to wat u say

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I'm ignoring aaah's case because it's a bunch of "ur buddying up/with tyler" active lurking.

man stop trying to change topics. i bet u didnt even read my iso about u
and stop making excuses to escape from the fact u are cornered into one spot.
and all u say is oh aaah is lurking. oh this guy did this and he's suspicious oh shit

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Altogether, think about what you guys are doing. I'm being lynched for:

1. Giving helpful advice
2. Wanting information out of the Kader wagon
3. Defending someone who I think is town from a crappy tunneling case
4. Voting someone for active lurking

1. u do not really give helpful advices but just defending yourself from being cornered
2. u just suddenly stopped voting for him as he is on L-1 and u did have enough information to support the face he is mafia
3. not just for defending, u only defend tyler
4. wat a stupid reason to vote. u give all the information and evidence about kadersalad and then u just vote hop to me just for lurking and repetitive information

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If u didnt have information for kadersalad in the first place, u shouldnt have voted him in the first place then -o-

and of course i have repeated the things in my ISO about u showing how many times u have helped tyler throughout the game. (Emphasizing the fact)

[aaah400]

I know it sounds like demon is trying to save his own butt, but I honestly think moose has shown more scum behavior than demon.

I'm just as suspicious of demon as the rest of you, but I really feel like a Demon lynch has a higher chance of being a mislynch than a moose lynch.

I understand that my "defending" demon will look suspicious, and so if demon flips scum, I imagine I'll be next on everyone's list, but I really feel better about a moose lynch. Everything he's said is scummy. It's all self-interested and none of it gives off any kind of townie vibe to me.

Just my two cents. Lynch demon if you really feel like he's scum, but I think moose has the bigger scummy read.

At this stage. We can see Tyler is helping Demon as Demon Helped him. But i also find that IF Demon was townie, TylerJavis maybe using Demon as a shield just to escape from being suspected

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IF Tyler is mafia of course

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That wasnt my point u moron
I was helping saying IF u wernt Mafia then tyler is keeping u alive for his shield -o-

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sorry for saying moron BUT i was trying to show what tylers actions were at that point

[aaah400]

It Could be another scenario if Demon is actually townie

[aaah400]

Well i wasnt helping? I was just saying that may be another scenario if u turn out to be townie

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jeez i said i wasnt helping? and i never said i was going to help u :/
And the word helping in

I was helping saying IF u wernt Mafia then tyler is keeping u alive for his shield -o-

doesnt mean that im helping u
it also can imply that im helping by giving information towards tylers actions

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well u should think. Im attacking u and y would i help u?

[aaah400]

well sorry then mr IC

[aaah400]

well bye demon

[aaah400]

u dont post much relevant information bro, all u go is oh he's scum

[aaah400]

lol and u should stop talking because u died

[aaah400]

On phone. Happy new year!!

[aaah400]

@Moose now your just voting me because demon said so. ok then

but lets see what u have done in this game

nothing

[aaah400]

@nacho so u checked moose at night and he is town?

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ok lets see..

IF! Nacho = Cop Moose=town Tyler=town aaah=town

then it has to be escho and kadersalad who are scum

or of course we do not know if nacho is telling the truth or not and may be pretending

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I am curious Escho, do you have any other suspicions for anyone else.
What about you Ibarra, who do you think is scum.

this may indcate that escho and kadersalad are not scum 2gether but one of them maybe scum overall

of course i did show evidence of kadersalad in the ISO many posts ago wen i was isoing DH which DH was townie.. He was acting very suspiciously though and i did have support for my evidence which doesnt mean i am scum

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Wats twilight? And im townie. Kader u r suspicious through vote hopping and atm i dnt see ibaara as scum

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On phone atm so ill post properly wen im on the comp

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Active lurking. While your post count is very high, the amount of information or relevant observations you've given has been very, very low.

well i dont see what information u have provided us as well. and yes of course some posts are useless due to questions about (how to quote, wats iso)
most/some are relevant and i have said the repetition is emphasizing the strong point which may indicate mafia

Not only do you not seem very interested in making useful contributions, you also don't seem to want anyone else to make very many useful contributions (as per your treatment of Demon).

well everyone would want to contribute at least little information and i dont see how said demon cant post anything and of course demon didnt post the necessary posts as he did not read properly as i stated (wat is an iso) and he continues to argue with what we were discussing about. and i dont see how he has helped in this game as well.

You seem very confident of my being town. While I'm in some ways appreciative of this, I don't think you should be as confident as you are. Nobody knows who is town except for mafia. (This is the most minor of my reasons. Demon was confident I was town also, and clearly Demon wasn't mafia)

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and i never said i was confident of u being town. i have already said it was a (IF) scenario case (IF) u were town. and of course demon's case, he did act as if he was mafia due to (support kader at L-1 suddenly, buddying) and thats y he got lynched, and also im not the only one who has voted demon.

And how can u be most certain nacho is cop and moose is town. moose has done hardly this game (lurking) but also nacho did do the hammer which he was planning to do wen ibarra came back :/

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aaah, if Nacho wasn't Cop, then all we would need for the real cop is to role-Claim, and then we will just have him pinned as scum.

Furthermore, I don't understand why you made such a random and specific what-if scenario. Also you voted for Demon during the last day for "only" buddying with tyler even thought you stated above that he apparently he got lynched for buddying withe me when I was L-1 . I am having a hard time following you in a consistent way.

......to everyone else, do an ISO of this guy and see if you think his words seem to be full of air.

well if someone claims cop (nacho) then he is most likely to get night killed by mafia as he is a power role of this game as mafias do not want to get found out they are mafia

and about Demon. not only i voted because he was buddying up with tyler javis. Demon voted u because of your suspicious actions and he did support his statements by proving and showing us how u reacted. At L-1 he suddenly changes his mind saying he wanted more information about u which is very suspicious as well.

and also i dont see y i am mafia just because i have lynched a wrong person and of course i did explain my ideas and showed evidence of how demon maybe scum which he turned out to be a townie. And of course not only i voted but many others did as well

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i dont see y i should be lynched during the day

1. if it is because we lynched demon at day 1. well im not the only one who has voted demon hybrid. many of u did and also i did provide evidence of demons case which were very relevant.
2. How do we 100% know if Nacho is Cop? no body knows if he is cop exactly. and of course he did do the hammer for demonhybrid wen he did say he was going to wait for Ibarra's return
3. Nacho could make a big risk of saying he is cop which he may be mafia as there are 4 game setups and 50% chance is there is cop which also means there is either 1 mafia roleblocker or 1 doctor
4. We can see if Moose is really townie and Nacho is cop if we lynch either one of them. we can see if Nacho is actually cop by Lynching moose or lynching nacho. But since Nacho claimed himself cop, the mafia's will obviously attack the power roles first rather than townies as the Cop can check at night who is mafia,townie etc.
5. I am townie and i dont see y i have come into this state.
6. And of course for kadersalad i did provide an ISO about him. AND if i was scum with Kadersalad, y would i even write a long argument showing he is scum in the first place. i provided detailed analysis on kadersalad and it is very relevant.

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i dont see how my responce to the pressure is scummy.
of course u may claim u are cop, but what if u are not a cop. Only u and the mod know if u are cop or not
so im giving a scenario of what IF u were not a cop, then of course u will be scum as u have claimed a false position of being cop.

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aaah, If he wasn't Cop, then the real Cop would tell us the truth, and if there is no cop, well there is fifty percent chance there is, and I doubt mafia is willing to take that chance in a Newbie Game, I have already told you before, CAN YOU READ.

of course i have read properly. the real cop may not want to reveal himself as he is the one who is most likely person to get night killed by the mafia Fool

and was with all these useless What If Scenarios, It wouldn't be so suspicious if they weren't so vague.

and the What if scenarios are actually very useful if u are smart enough to think properly

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of course the cop does not want to get NK'ed so of course he wouldnt want to reveal himself also either way.

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i never said town is avoiding NK -o- we were talking about cops :/ wat r u on

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how am i being scummier? just by saying WHAT IF scenarios?

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@moose

No No. Im just saying that if a cop is claimed during the day, the cop will most likely be NK'ed at night unless a doctor heals the Cop which in this case Nacho should be saved. Im just saying Claiming cop can be dangerous as the mafia's will obviously NK the power position first

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Ok now im on L-1 Oh my but i still dont see y i should be lynched 2day
well of course no one believes me that i am townie due to false lynching and suspecting nacho
all i did was give different scenarios of what would happen if this person died etc.
if i get lynched then a townie will be short of people leading to most likely a mafia win.
I am townie people and i am not scum
also if kadersalad is your guys highest suspect for scum, then y dont u lynch him instead
as i did say i gave an iso on him and also i did provide information.

of course if i was mafia and kadersalad then i wouldnt have written and iso about him in the first place as mafias will try to protect mafia so they can win

I am Townie

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I dont see y i should be lynched at the moment also, as no information will be gained after my lynch

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Well, Aaah, if no information is going to be gained from your lynch, who do you recommend we lynch and why?

Give us your top 3 scum reads and why lynching them would be more beneficial for the town than lynching you would be.

Ok the Top 3 Scum People for me are

1.Kadersalad (as i provided before an iso about him on day 1,

Vote: aaah400 This would be my natural vote.

, there is no explanation to this what so ever, seems to me a random vote here)

2.Moose (active lurking, not providing relevant information)

3.Im not sure for my 3rd mafia suspicious person, but it would be Escho (

Must we lynch just for the sake of getting information? We should lynch whoever we think is scum I think because...that's the main aim of the game.

, very scummy here as u are being hasty to kill someone, if u were townie u would actually want information on people to see who is most likely to be more scum and town) or Nacho (claiming cop but not really a scum move but lets say just for saying moose is townie :/)

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but of course since nacho claims moose is town, we cannont say must, all im saying is can we all 100% believe with nacho's claim here

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Why on earth would I want to risk lynching a power role that doesn't even come off scummy (to me, anyway) on the off chance that he's a mafia that threw everything to chance?
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then y dont we lynch Moose to see if nacho is really a cop then? as nacho claimed moose is town, if moose turns out to be town, then we can tell that nacho is really a power role (cop)

Besides, we do get information from your lynch. If you flip town, we can trust your readings. If you're scum, then I believe we could safely assume that Escho or Ibarra is your scumbuddy (Nacho would be dead or confirmed town , Moose confirmed town, I highly doubt you'd push a Kader lynch if he was your scumbuddy, and I'm the one who has pushed for your lynch).

this is the most useless information ever. If i die town, u trust me after i die? Wat use is this, then i cant help find mafia, The only reason for me being in this state is because after Demon's Lynch and he turned out townie and straight away i become the next suspect

2nd of all, If Ibaara was mafia with me, i wouldnt have even voted for him in the first place.
And y would i be scum buddies with Escho?

I Am A Townie People

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jeez -o- y so do u want to be in the top 3 as well then? i dont mind if i put u up -o-

anyhow i did mention about Escho before if u have read properly but i did claim that He mightve NK'ed Crazy due to his long claims as Escho previously in day1 say he didnt like crazy's long posts

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aaah, you missed my question.

Are you vanilla townie, chocolate townie, or strawberry townie?

oh sorry my bad but wat is the difference? between vanilla, chocolate, strauberry townie?

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? the email i get from the start wen i first start this game?

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oh im vanilla townie. But can u explain what are the differnece between them?

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oh hahaha im vanilla townie.

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well i see your bored because u dont post anything?

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i have no idea wat u have just said but u dont give any good information as well since because u dont read

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do u believe Nacho 100%?

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omfg u do not read at all do u.
did i say lynch nacho? no i havent. i said lets try lynching Moose to see if nacho is telling the truth but also he is lurking

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wat if ur not town? hmm? and im not freken mafia. im VANILLA TOWN. And of course eveyone here who is voting me believes nacho is cop 100%.
Prove by showing evidence to show he is 100% cop besides of the fact he claimed he is cop himself

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@Ibarra.

Look here, This is My first mafia game and im still getting used to this game. Also i actually didnt know wat vanilla townie was and all i knew was that i was Townie. And of course if it was your first time playing, how would u know if u were Strawberry townie, vanilla townie or chocolate townie also?

Ok then to everyone. Let Nacho check me at night then if no one believes me with my claim of baing Townie. If i get lynched, the townies will most likely lose as townie numbers are getting short rapidly.

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Of course if Nacho is really cop that is

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No. it was a fast game yesterday and nachos responce to my answers were pretty fast so i had no time to read the wiki BUT i am reading little by little now. and of course wats the difference if u were a chocolate,strawberry or vanilla townie? they are all townie and most likely if they even existed, they would just have the same role as a townie.

OF course this is my first game so i can make mistakes. Everyone Makes Mistakes.

I am VANILLA TOWNIE

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@Nacho

r u the SE or the IC of this game?

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Ok Tyler Lets see what I have to say about what u have said about me. (CounterClaim?)

1st.

U claim my sudden change about

First people who talk first is mafia

then i say

I have to agree with DemonHybrid here. I don't see how commenting first is scummy.

answer-

this is what is call first pressure/sarcasm and of course. My first vote was Ibarra which is because it was Random Vote Stage. And i see that u did not understand the sacasmic move i made in the beginning.

2nd

. Then u move on to me and Escho complaining about Crazy Questions long posts which i show hatred against

Answer-[

quote='Escho']CrazyQuestions just calm down and stop making blimmin long as posts which no one wants to read. Can't you make it shorter so that it's easier on the readers - your so called analysis would be more helpful if it was concise, we are not on the forum to write essays you know.[/quote]

Here shows Escho really did hate CrazyQuestion's long posts and of course he is annoyed of his long posts as he says it has little information. But I

aaah400 wrote: and i dont like how CrazyQuestions posts are long too much to read XD!!

Lets see here Tylerjavis, Escho is more serious with his answer towards CrazyQuestions. My saying towards CrazyQuestions is not serious as Escho. My answer here shows that I was hoping if he can write little bit a time as there is long to read.

3rd

. Of course I knew u would bring up DemonHybrids Case again about what more information is needed and Parroting

Answer

- Look Tyler, of course u would have wanted DemonHybrid to stay alive as he has been supporting u throughout Day-1. And there actually was no more information required towards DemonHybrid. I even showed evidence towards DemonHybrids Case. (Sudden change in vote from Kadersalad, Buddying up with U and no one else, Voting me for no specific reason except repeating comments.)

Now the Parroting, what have i copied? i only copied what i have said and for the LAST TIME i have been reapeating my Claims towards DemonHybrid TO EMPHASISE the fact that he is suspicious.

4th.

jeez -o- y so do u want to be in the top 3 as well then? i dont mind if i put u up -o-

like he's not actually scumhunting as much as just picking people to lynch. and then there's the whole not even knowing that he's a vanilla townie, which I know you think is a town read, but I honestly can't see it as anything but scummy.
So there you go. Scummy behavior from Aaah. From start to finish.

By saying this U have made yourself suspicious as i have said in Day 1 That u were suspicious since the beginning with DemonHybrid but after his lynch i decided to put u town after the lynch. BUT now u bring up very little evidence of Me being mafia.

And of course I am ScumHunting no shizzles as i AM TOWN and wanting TOWN to win and IF U ARE TOWN, U are not doing your work properly.

And now for the conclusion of HOW U WOULD ACT DIFFERENTLY

well U have said nothing and did not answer this question. Only saying ScumHunting. OF course TOWNIE will try to find out who scum is which is WHAT i am doing. and u say how i did not defend myself properly. In that situation, if i defended myself, people will become more suspicious towards me as y would i defend myself wen im accusing DemonHybrid and suddenly defend myself for no reason?

Your answer is very vague

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And of course I am ScumHunting no shizzles as i AM TOWN and wanting TOWN to win and IF U ARE TOWN, U are not doing your work properly.

I'm not doing my work properly? I'm presenting a case against who I deem to be scum. Just because it's against you doesn't mean I'm not doing it properly. I want town to win, and that means lynching scum. And I think you're scum.

By saying this U have made yourself suspicious as i have said in Day 1 That u were suspicious since the beginning with DemonHybrid but after his lynch i decided to put u town after the lynch. BUT now u bring up very little evidence of Me being mafia.

This just sounds like OMGUS to me. I'm building a case against you, so you've decided that I'm suspicious.

Naturally, you're going to say that I've brought up very little evidence. I didn't write that post for your benefit, Aaah. It happens to be more than enough evidence for me to be convinced of your guilt. I don't know if it will be enough for anyone else, but now it's all in one convenient location, and they can decide for themselves.

There's nothing scummy about that. You just don't like that I've targeted you.

AND I SEE U HAVENT UNDERSTOOD THE TEXT i have written.

I'm not doing my work properly? I'm presenting a case against who I deem to be scum. Just because it's against you doesn't mean I'm not doing it properly. I want town to win, and that means lynching scum. And I think you're scum.

Yes of course IF u WERE a townie u would of course want townie to win. AND OF COURSE I AM TOWNIE so im saying u have got the wrong person.

This just sounds like OMGUS to me. I'm building a case against you, so you've decided that I'm suspicious.

Naturally, you're going to say that I've brought up very little evidence. I didn't write that post for your benefit, Aaah. It happens to be more than enough evidence for me to be convinced of your guilt. I don't know if it will be enough for anyone else, but now it's all in one convenient location, and they can decide for themselves.

There's nothing scummy about that. You just don't like that I've targeted you.

NOW LOOK HERE, Y would i say u were suspicious? BECAUSE U ARE. Y did i vote for u in Day-1? BECAUSE U WERE SUSPICIOUS. Y do i see u suspicious after u have building a case on me? BECAUSE U GOT THE WRONG PERSON! IM TOWNIE :/

UNLESS of course u are mafia and building a claim on me as im the most vulerable person here at this moment so of course people will vote for me.

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haha is it because u have nothing to say now Tyler? is it because u failed to provide more evidence of me being scum?

spelling mistakes is that i use my phone often so its difficult to type with.

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OMG. I dont see y people are voting for me as i am a townie. Tyler, i actually think u should think again before u vote as u will suffer on day 3 as i will turn out townie and u will be the next lynch on day 3

i dont see y i should die in day 2. of course i do want townie to win but u are not helping if u are going to lynch me in day 2 right now

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@aaah: Is this your first game? Ever play anywhere else? and.... do you have a temper IRL?

this is my first game ever. Also what is Temper IRL?

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meh back to L-1 again -o-
i dont appear to be scum... all im getting kapwned for is just making up Future Scenarios which benefit the townies

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@Mod

If i am still on L-1 by the end of the day, do i get lynched or does it count as a no lynch for that day?

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i dont get that properly :/. so it is a lynch or not?

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I'd say they're worth investigating if they're a null read.

After all, two of us are scum, regardless of what reading we're giving off now. We need to try and figure it out.

Preferably before the clock runs out for today.

So u are saying that u and kadersalad are scum?

I'd say they're worth investigating if they're a null read.

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well thats how i am hearing it right now.

My vote would be either on Kadersalad or Tylerjavis (You)

Of course u would be saying why wouldnt i vote Nacho as i have been targetting him since the beginning of Day 2.

Im predictting obviously the mafia team will target power roles as they do not want themselves to be discovered but i also hope there is a doctor within this game so that the doctor can protect Nacho to keep him longer in the game as he MIGHT or NOT be cop. Of course people will ask how will this help? Well we can ask Nacho again to see who he investigated in the night which can be anyone.

And Of course why am i voting either u or kadersalad?

U were suspicious since day 1. BUT i classified u as town after lynching DemonHyrbid as he flipped out to be town. BUT right now u are saying that kadersalad and You (tylerJavis)
i will show u evidence one by one wen it is needed

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Because im on my phone typing and also it is hard to quote using my phone so i will provide evidence wen im on the computer

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Sorry for not posting

I just came back from a Family Travel and im posting this at 10pm and im very tired as i just got back 2day

i will catch up with the game 2morrow morning wen i wake up

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Day 3 Has Began and the information given in Day 3 is very detailed

Reveals that Nacho was really COP
and also reveals Moose is Townie

SO its obviously down to the 4 people. Tyler, Me, Escho with Ibarra

my firse Concern is that Obviously People will go for me as I WAS the most suspicious person in Day 2 but came to a Kadersalad lynch
BUT i did not vote Unlike Tyler Who SUddenly hammers Kadersalad for no specific reasoning behind it.
all he did was follow nacho, moose and ibarra

And Of course Tyler immediatly targets me for being suspicious for being mafia and im predictting many people will go for me IF i dont make good reasonings
AS tyler said we are at LYLO
If i get lynched in Day 3. Its obviously a win to mafia team as i will turn out as Townie

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Last of all DONT LET NACHOS LAST WORDS BE IN VEIN!!! I AM TOWNIE

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Good point

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BUT my first suspicious person would be Ibarra atm. Ill provide details shortly/soon/later

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Ok ill start from the beginning

1.

I don't think lynching all liars should be the case as it can be part of a strategy in order to find the mafia, hence the game gets more interesting

An interesting comment. Can you give one situation when lying can be used to find mafia. More often, lying costs the town. (e.g. claiming a power role as VT). Remember that this is a newbie game, the only power roles we could have is a Doctor or a Cop.

Of course u have said u are the SE of this game. But u say how can mafia defend themselves if they are being targetted? Of course NOOBS will obviously know they would claim themselves town unless if they are seriously COP or DOC but of course this would obviously affect the results in the NK. And of course u are the SE of this game so how can u ask this kind of question? i dont see any point in this question. If so then y did u only ask Escho and not the others?

2.

CrazyQuestions, I think you are making a mountain of a molehill with the entire tylerjarvis random vote. When I first read tyler's vote, I saw it as a random vote not as a serious vote.

Crazy did support his information with some valid information and ure just calling him molehill. I can see here that ure defending tyler in this case.

3. Following with the flow of who to vote. Since day 1 u have been following other people on who to vote.. E.G. U voted Demon Hybrid On L-2. U also Voted KaderSalad on L-2 also. This shows that he is not voting hastly until he finds a chance where he can vote so he does not turn out suspicious. Of course he never votes first on other players during the game.

4. Defending Tyler in dangerous situations like DemonHybrid. tyler.

tyler - town read - some of Demon's town tells + encouraging discussion

CrazyQuestions, I think you are making a mountain of a molehill with the entire tylerjarvis random vote. When I first read tyler's vote, I saw it as a random vote not as a serious vote

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Vote:Ibarra

for now. My next Highest Supicious person is obviously Tyler

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Escho. Unvote.

THIS IS MOST SCUM BEHAVIOR EVER

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Escho. Unvote.

THIS IS MOST SCUM BEHAVIOR EVER

Indicating team play/Both Scum,

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OK demonhybrid just stuffed up this whole game since the start

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na uve got saved by ibarra with demon -o- they made us lose