Newbie 983 ~ Game Over!

[silverbullet999]

/confirmeddd

[silverbullet999]

haylen! how did I miss you!? Oh cause your temping? Nope sorry haylen you have to stay for the full game!

[silverbullet999]

Haylen... you have to stayy!!!! Or.. orr orr else!!!

[silverbullet999]

Also hi everyone I'm the SE and ummm I'll assist in any questions asked!

step on his toes! and yes!

and also

VOTE: Haylen

until you stay : P

[silverbullet999]

I like RVS'S....

ok five questions for though. Y'all should post your answers

1) How many games have you played. 2 and i'm in another
2) What is your favorite role. I haven't experienced any other roles except townie sooo townie?
3) What is the most fun thing you've ever done. Hopefully skydiving this summer >:D
4) One interesting thing about yourself. I'm unique?
5) What is your dream job. Professional slacker.

-The Good One
silverbullet999, I have looked through both your previous Newbie games here - Newbie 940 and Newbie 965. I hope you don't mind answering a few questions about them (and if you do, no problem): I do, I refuse to answer them! Kidding!

VOTE: Good and Honest for making me answer!

What would you say about each of those two games? What are your thoughts on how you played in them? Did you change your playstyle from Newbie 940 to Newbie 965? Do you intend to play this game similarly to one of those two or have you decided to change something? First game was fantastic and was very experimental. I made some huge mistakes in that game... but others did too so, none the less it was a great game. 965 was interesting, I sort of took the lead in investigations and the only reason i survived that one was because someone was a bit more townier than me.. or emerged as a slightly bigger threat... to the mafia anyway then me. I have not decided on what playstyle i will use as I more or less play as I go and don't plan very far ahead.

Your playstyle looks interesting to say the least from what switz mentions. You earn a few points for doing lots of homework apparently heheh. Though I'll judge you a bit more when actions start occuring.

Also I'm the other SE... i forgot if i mentioned that or not

Also KittyMo you are the best mod ever... simply because your posts and interactions in the game have been very entertaining and humorous. I really look forward to this game!

Finally yes i didn't quote things... I'm lazy and have been busy so I apologizeee forgive me?

Aww, thanks. ^_^ I try to be fun, but not overly become part of the game since it's a newbie one. I'm not that good at the latter, though. >>; ~ Kitty

[silverbullet999]

Ah geez we are getting serious so soon... and I don't think we've heard from everyone... I think 5? or maybe 6 people have posted so far?

UNVOTE:

I don't have anyone I want to lynch right now... Good is going to make these days very interesting if left alive.. but in no way shape or form should he be lynched yet.

It's always MUCH better to use these days to scumhunt eachother... I'd like the people who haven't posted yet to post... (too lazy to check who they are)

Good question.... If someone claimed scum would you vote them?

//Unrelated//
Also... give me a picture of a kitty (AT LEAST ONE KITTY PER PAGE!)

Mod Note

If you insist... Can't remember how long ago this picture was taken, but it was at least a year ago. ~KittyMo

[silverbullet999]

drmy - If you want Good and Honest dead or at least pressure applied keep the vote on, if it hops up to L-1 I'd suggest you take it off if it's still early in the week. Worse case scenario is Good & Honest gets quickhammered which then lets us investigate the wagon and more than likely the hammerer

[silverbullet999]

If he were to get to L-1 in the next 2 hours, you would hammer?

Also Nice I'm only in this game now, got night killed from the large game I was in... I didn't expect it at all either.

Hey, let's not talk about ongoing games. Site rule and all that. Kay? ~KittyMo

[silverbullet999]

oh i was just mentioning i died nothing more, my bad kitty forgive me pwease

[silverbullet999]

Prox Interesting stuff

However the one question you answered about someone claiming scum was meant toward G&H (G&H answer when you get back on pwease : ))
The Good question... meant Good, Question.. I'll start properly tagging now lol

@ Shotty

You ignored my question!

If he were to get to L-1 in the next 2 hours, you would hammer?

(he being Good in reference to what you posted...)

nah im good, but i will hammer him if he gets L-1.

[silverbullet999]

1. Everyone stop saying no offense... : P everyone should know you don't mean actual offense unless your like *insert username here* *insert curse words and insults here* Making a case against someone is not offensive... and even if tempers do rise somewhat... I'd rather encourage it as it tends to reveal more.
2. @Shotty
[quote="Shotty"] yes i would hammer because that means others feel he would hurt the town as do I. [quote]
Why would you be willing to end the day so incredibly early? We have quite awhile to gather info on everyone... there are still people who haven't posted yet... and G&H's actions (not intentions) in my mind haven't really given me room for judgement yet.. also there still are two people that haven't even posted yet!
3. @Shotty you should also rebuttal the case if you want
4. @Good and Honest- What's your feelings on everything.. I feel like you've been quiet lately
5. @Haylen- Same question as Good!

Trying out numbered style... tell me if you likie or not.

I would vote shotty but that throws him on L-1, and I'd like to actually get a few reads on others and hear from the other two people before this day ends.

[silverbullet999]

EBWOP

I hate quote tagging... -_-

Also forgot to add that Hindu gets a cookie for his case.

[silverbullet999]

silverbullet999, there is something I want to ask you. You're wondering why drmyshottyizsik would be willing to end the day so incredibly early. But then why did you say this to drmyshottyizsik earlier:

"If you want Good and Honest dead or at least pressure applied keep the vote on, if it hops up to L-1 I'd suggest you take it off if it's still early in the week. Worse case scenario is Good & Honest gets quickhammered which then lets us investigate the wagon and more than likely the hammerer"

You said this immediately after drmyshottyizsik unvoted me... And you yourself had just unvoted me! But from what I quoted it sounded like you didn't mind it if drmyshottyizsik's vote stayed on me and you even discussed a scenario where I'm quickly lynched... I hope you'll explain these interactions of yours with drmyshottyizsik.

I unvoted you because it was RVS on you and I didn't find it applicable to keep the vote on you as you weren't suspicious at the time to me. It seemed that I had "convinced" shotty to unvote you as well. Since (if memory serves me right) his vote was not RVS and votes to pressure someone in my mind always helped. Basically I did not mind his vote on you as I said, pressure is always good and you were only at l-3 with my unvote (I believe anyway). Is that sufficient or would you like me to go in even greater detail?

Also what caused you to make a vow to only vote if town needs you to and for you to adopt this rather strange playstyle. (I wanna nickname it turtle defense because I think it will be incredibly hard to prove your townie or scum throughout this whole game if you plan to follow this.)

[silverbullet999]

EBWOP

@Good

Top two suspects please

[silverbullet999]

@Shotty - As Switz pointed out.. you have STILL ignored my question, and Good's reiteration of it. Right now I would throw my vote on you til you answered said question. However I still want reads on the other 2 who have contributed nothing yet thus I'm holding off. But just warning you right now, your #1 on my list until you at least answer said question.

[silverbullet999]

I think this is said question. You're right not everyone has posted yet, and I'm not going to end the day so early.

Buttt.... you said if he were to get to L-1 in the next 2 hours of said post... you would hammer him... thus ending the day.

[silverbullet999]

This sounds to me like you were definitely against that "worst case scenario", which previously didn't seem to be that big of a problem for you.

Being someone who had a vote on you, and being someone who is waiting for you to hit L-1 to hammer you are two different things in my mind.

HELLO FOIL!!! did you miss me?

-Hindu
I disagree that us ganging up on shotty is bad, as we've gotten quite a bit of input from him. Do I think he needs to be lynched asap? no... but typically the wagons will shift from one player to another to another until it's somewhat agreed upon that that person should be lynched.

also... hi arch!.... O_O

[silverbullet999]

I've been good foil!

[sarcasim] I call shotty and foilist scumbuddies!

[silverbullet999]

@Switz

Of Shotty's suggestions, I'm leaning towards examining silverbullet a bit further. I don't have a good read on him yet either way, so it can only help to get one

You said this twice O_O in the same post. Also feel free to examine me and question me as much as you'd like (this goes to everyone).

Which now begs the question: Silver, if you get a good or decent read on Foil and Arch, are you still planning on putting Shotty at L-1? Why or why not?

Currently not willing to yet, wanna see Good's reaction with foil and wanna hear more from Arch.

The only other thing jumping out at me is that he's spent most of his time focusing on trying to translate one statement Shotty's made, and is just agreeing with the arguments.

Could you sort of clarify on this a bit more? I would understand if you said I've been focusing on Shotty's attitude with lynching/voting Good... but I don't know if that's what you mean.

[silverbullet999]

hindu, could you link to your 5-6 previous games if possible?

[silverbullet999]

Silver does not recall writing that

[silverbullet999]

Never Ever!

[silverbullet999]

*Hopes Good actually throws a vote down or something of that sort*

Good what's your record with this playstyle btw?

[silverbullet999]

@Switz

As long as we're discussing it, though, did you ever get a satisfactory response?

Not sure if it was satisfactory? But in my mind I was happy with his answer and thus haven't pursued it further.

[silverbullet999]

fufufufufu....

So much to catch up on

alright

VOTE: vote Good

I still didn't see a vote in your post... though reading it now... slowly...

@ Silverbullet - any reason you aren't voting?

[sarcasim] I am voting now, stop putting pressure on me! [/sarcasim]

I didn't throw a vote as I wanted to see Good's reactions and if he would actually change... throwing my vote on him now cause it's obvious he won't and I'll be suspicious of him the whole game. His post just seemed to be begging to get off his back about the playstyle and he's not going to stop thus i'm fine with him bein lynched for now.

[silverbullet999]

EBWOP

ooo I double voted... damn i'm good?

[silverbullet999]

*Thirds above quote*

[silverbullet999]

@BOB

@ silverbullet & switz -

You've expressed your intent to lynch G&H today. This has been noted, and could be the course of action that the town will take. However, it should be clear to the two of you that the town is not ready to lynch him at this moment. Therefore, because the case on G&H is based on his playstyle being anti-town (NOT on him being scummy), I strongly feel that the two of you are currently accomplishing nothing with your vote. Neither one of you is attempting to demonstrate how G&H is likely to have a mafia role, and neither one of you are seriously pressuring him for information. To me, voting G&H in the manner that you two have done seems like a very plausible play for scum, who can easily justify wanting to lynch G&H, and can keep their vote on him without actually having to do anything.

We might lynch G&H, but we aren't going to do so now, so please find a more productive place for your vote and your attention. As far as I'm concerned, sticking to that bandwagon right now amounts to nothing more than active lurking.

fos silver bullet
fos switz

Ummmmm bob... where did i say... "LETS LYNCH G&H NOW!"? No kidding the town isn't ready to lynch him yet... all I've said is i'm fine if he ends up getting lynched for now and threw my vote on him to add some actual pressure to him. Maybe he'll actually do something. Since when has adding pressure done nothing (exception being haylen apparently). Also like how you speak for the whole town by saying we.

Why do you want me to toss my vote on someone else? If I toss my vote on haylen that won't do anything... and hey whaddya know.. your votes on haylen. Thus your vote is a bit useless atm so why don't you actually throw more pressure on G&H and join us so we can try to get a better read and a hopeful vote from G&H rather than an ATE?

I don't find a use for fos's but be guaranteed that you damn sure just earned some scum points with how boldly you speak there and the ironic contradiction in your own argument.

[silverbullet999]

ooo your gonna be a fun one bob

@bob
(I'm gonna be lazy and not quote things.... i don't feel like typing [blahblahblah] so my quotes from your above will be represented with --- k?)

----communicating that this is what you expect to happen by leaving your vote on him and not doing anything else.

False I'm putting pressure on him with my vote and expected a reaction, Switz unvoted for w/e reason, I don't see a vote being on L3 - L4 being at all dangerous and an exact expectation of a lynch. The closer G&H gets to being lynched the more likely he'll change his playstyle... that's how i see it in my eyes. I am again not expecting nor saying LYNCH HIM NOWZ!

----Voting G&H without seriously questioning him is not scum-hunting.
This was attempted with fruitless results... vote = pressure = hey maybe something changes so i can get a better read.

----You haven't given any evidence that he's scummy, and you aren't pressuring him in any way that makes him more likely to expose his alignment. You're just sitting back and passively supporting a policy lynch.

I stated his last novel was mainly ATE... vote = pressure... not supporting a policy lynch, he's refusing to take any sort of action to scum hunt himself and has just made observations and light questions... things i'm pretty sure you touched on in your own analysis of him.

----For example, I'm actually asking Haylen questions about her play, and demanding responses.
You attempted this with G&H and also demanded action... there hasn't been any action on his part and since you have seen fit to leave it and move on... I decided to take up the cause

----For example, her most recent post sounds a little pressured, and seems to have been at least partially a reaction to the votes on her.
Frack you for making me quote...

What? Because I don't react to votes on me? Seriously, once you've played 41 games, you start not really caring when people vote for you.

You REALLY believe that this post sounds pressured?... Please Clarify

Also <3 to you for the great sarcasm... please add sarcasm tags next time though... would be appreciated

----If you think you've played well so far, then by all means, show me the error of my ways.
I've gotten reads on mainly everyone here thus far... I concentrate on one scum at a time... the one person i'm leaning scum though am not fully sure is G&H thus my pressure on him.

----In fact, why don't you make a list of all the things you think you've down to help this town? What information have you managed to generate with your play? In what ways are we closer to finding scum because of the things you've done in this game?

You want me to essentially tell you my whole entire play... and what results i've gotten from said play. Let me rephrase your question in my favorite form.

"Hey0 Silver!! Type out all the stuffs you did so that scumz like me can play off the said suspicions and evidencies you gots and lead a mislynchhh!!!! L33t!"

[silverbullet999]

@Shotty

What wagon did you think you were hoppin bud?

@Bob

Are you really not going to rebuttal and/or answer my question?


I'll confirm haylens claim that she has gotten very emotionally involved as town (happened in my first game). Of course that doesn't mean too much since she's attempting to change it... haylen I demand that you stay and not get replaced : (.

Good I scanned your post... then stopped... then went to sleep... I am attempting to read one novel online already about America invading hell (great story btw..) I can't take reading another or multiple novels from you. Give me TL:DR Sections at least!!

[silverbullet999]

kitty!? NOOOO

: ( and where's the kittens for the vote count!!? : ( also your vote count is listing haylen twice O_O

Added the kitty in for you. And thanks for letting me know. ~ Kitty

@ Shotty

Umm... she unvoted....

[silverbullet999]

Haylen : (

*Seconds above*

[silverbullet999]

Haylen's actions has seemed like haylen being her normal self to me, thus I don't suspect seraphim

G&H in my mind is the wild card, his position let's us assume he's town but there's no evidence in my mind to back that up. Though when was he already at L-2? Also the assumption that if G&H is scum he would act differently just seems absurd... whomever G&H is, he's a fully developed character that has been posting novels from the get go. If he is scum I highly doubt he would all of a sudden act more aggressive or different, he is very passive in my mind.

Shotty's been dancing around for me between newb and scum, his actions have been varied to say the least and his reactions when i asked why he was willing to lynch so soon his reaction was interesting.

Bob i really want you to answer my question/s.

Foil- wanna build on the seraphim case a bit more?

Hindu - what's your take on foilist view and seraph?

Shotty -

I decided to unvote you to go after G&H, but more and more it's looking like I should go back to you.

When did you heavily go for G&H? Pretty sure as soon as someone mentioned that your vote was supposedly useless you decided to unvote and drop it completely if memory serves me right.

[silverbullet999]

Meant SWITZ for the last quote above nottt Shotty

Sorryz

[silverbullet999]

Switz - thank you

Hindu - whoops...

Why is your vote still on G&H?

Votes still on G&H cause I'm not sure if I wanna hop the shotty wagon just yet as we still gots a weekish before our deadline. (Basically the vote on G&H is harmless now and I want more responses from certain people before I decide to switch). When was he at L-2 though?

[silverbullet999]

Really arch.... not even going to attempt to answer my question? Your feeling like a politician to me and I don't like that at all.

VOTE: Archbob

-Seraphim

I have played with overenthusiastic scum before. Not all scum are looking to avoid drawing attention to themselves especially newbscum.

Could you link to a game you completed where this was the case?

-G&H

To everyone - if you can't endure reading my posts in their entirety, at least search them for your names because I'd like to know your reactions to my comments and questions directed towards you.

Exactly what I am doing

silverbullet999, I have to agree with Hinduragi that it seemed strange that you voted for me when archaebob asked you why you weren't voting. Would you have voted at that time if archaebob hadn't asked?

I honestly don't know (I don't like what if scenarios). More than likely yes.

As a whole, you were more active in Newbie 965 than in Newbie 940. It seems like now you are playing more like you did in Newbie 940 - but there you said the reason was that you were new. Now it seems like this is an intentional approach. By the way, interestingly, both in Newbie 940 and here there has been a "silverbullet999 strikes back" moment after someone has attacked you - it was Nobody Special there and archaebob here...

I disagree actually, I was nervous as ell and completely changed my gamestyle a few times in 940. In 965 I was the leader for a bit then just sort of let someone else take the lead. Also I think both games had silver attack moments. My second game being with Uite I believe in the last day. What do you bring the silverbullet strikes back moments for though... are you implying anything with that?

[silverbullet999]

You're all right, shotty.

Heyyy.... bein buddy buddies all of a sudden...


-Hindu, Prox

Do you think archbob is scum?

He was at L-2 on page 4, post 85, during the VC. Also, is there another reason as to why you voted Arch so suddenly?

Your questions are similar thus grouped!
I am leaning arch being scum right now as 1. He's made 2 (or more?) posts already... without mentioning my case. Granted his latest post quickly talks of V/LA (how convenient..) but he went out of his way to make another case... while ignoring my own against him. Thus why my vote is on him

Prox-
However Prox... your all of a sudden liking towards shotty... tempts me heavily to throw my vote on you.

How do you go from calling him an idiot to a bud? Explain...

[silverbullet999]

Wow quite a bit going on

-G&H

silverbullet999, I was simply comparing your playstyles in the different games. I have the feeling that you're playing in a more "planned" manner now than before. I mentioned "silverbullet999 strikes back" because I think it will be a very curious coincidence if once again the person that provoked your "strike" turns out to be a mafioso, like was the case with Nothing Special. By the way, since you said: "Haylen's actions has seemed like haylen being her normal self to me" - do you find the way Haylen played in our current game similar to the one in Newbie 940?

1. What do you mean when you say a very curious coincidence? How would you feel if I was correct?
2. Yeah for the most part. Though she was much more emotional in that game I feel like that was what was occurring in this game.

-Bob

Any other reasons why you think I'm scum, silver?

You still have essentially ignored my questions. You haven't clarified if you really thought Haylen's post was pressured. You also have not addressed you asking my for my playstyle and all that such.

However

UNVOTE: VOTE: Prox

You really have been flailing in these few pages


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MOD: That kitty looks like sniper kitty!! I WANT!!!

[silverbullet999]

Bob your really killing me... like stabbing me... repeatedly with each of your posts...

[silverbullet999]

-Arch

1. Ok I can see how someone could feel that post was pressured, thank you
2. Get to my other question when you can! ... sooner vs later : P
3. Seraphim made a good case and his quick turnabout and hop on to seraphim just made me suspicious, I also am leaning to believe seraph's claim, and i never found him too scummy thus far.

[silverbullet999]

UNVOTE:

[silverbullet999]

.....

UNVOTE:

[silverbullet999]

Going to read the mafia ones now. WOW, LOL. Yep, Bob's town here.

I'm too lazy to read those games... could you summarize what he did in those games as mafia that he hasn't done here?

[silverbullet999]

Few things, Sorry to have been away, I know I have been missed.

Bob- Fantastic looking case, I'll take a deeper look at it at another time though as I'm still a little busy.
Also nice catch foil.

Also don't see the harm in letting seraph tell his results.

[silverbullet999]

Ugh to walls, alright not much time (been very busy... prob should have posted V/LA but ah well....) but I'm going to defend and or refute against Switzs case for now. G&H I'll answer or respond in my next post, whenever that is.

Yeah... also I'm too lazy to look up each friggen ISO so... quote shit plz.

But then in his very next post he encourages Shotty to keep voting for G&H if he wants him dead. This isn't an direct contradiction, but it does seem odd for him to be saying "let's not lynch anyone" out of one corner of his mouth and "if you want to lynch someone you should" from the other.

Bullshit. I tell him that if it reaches L-1 that he should unvote. A vote = pressure... as I've argued and doesn't mean LYNCH.

Silver's not nearly as concerned about the fact that Shotty would be potentially hammering someone town as he is the fact that Day would be ending early, and then there's that repeated focus on waiting until everyone shows up that's going to be a major theme throughout.

A lynch, regardless of town or mafia ends the day... if a quick wagon builds up on a relatively weak case and a hammer occurs... if it flips scum then it's hella luck, if it flips town then we should have waited for deadline to approach because more information could be gotten.

So basically, Silver's saying he thinks G&H isn't suspicious, but he thinks Shotty should have left his vote on G&H to put pressure on him. Doesn't this look like a bit of a discrepancy?

Shotty seemed to be following me with the unvote... as he unvoted right after I made the post. The vote on G&H was relatively harmless in my eyes for pressure and it seemed like he was just playing follow the leader if you will.

Then G&H steps in, and it seems like he's the only one who's consistently questioning Silver about his own contradiction in the chain of Q&A with Shotty. He asks,

This is a bullshit contradiction a hammer and a vote are two completely different things bud. As you comment on lol.

Down time = busy time Sorry for having a job?

This contradicts your reason for voting him. You say here there is a possibility you will unvote him, but your reason for voting on him hinges on something that will not change. Why, then, would there be a possibility that you would unvote him--except to jump on a better bandwagon.

I'll unvote him if he changed, how was I to know that he wasn't going to change under pressure?

This is patently untrue

This is in regards to my reads... which again I call bullshit... It's called reading posts. Read my two games, I tend to always keep reads to myself unless pressured to tell. The reason is if I feel someone is leaning scum, I want to prod them more and not actually reveal that I am suspicious of them, I like trying to catch scum under guard.

Hindu: Why are you still voting G&H? You look scum. You only voted him because you got pressured to.
Silver: I'm not sure if I want to be on the Shotty wagon. I'll get off soon though.

This is a heavy reach, also how much have me and you interacted directly besides now? Not much right? yeah...

And then votes for him in his very next post without giving any reasons except some vague mentions of "flailing." It plays exactly like his earlier hesitancy on G&H and Shotty, except this time, he's forced to vote right away because we're nearing deadline.

This is when prox loved shotty all of a sudden... after hating him forever...

Silver has been active lurking the majority of the game.

Meh I'd say half

His play is defined by an inexplicable desire to put off taking action as long as possible, both personally and game-wide.

More information is better than less... especially on D-1

He repeatedly posts his suspicions without votes, and refuses to actually cast the appropriate vote for as long as possible.

Preventing a quicklynch or making it less likely... I could have hammered you ya know...

His reasons for voting/suspecting both G&H and Shotty are contradictory.

Bullshit

He and Hinduragi rarely interact on any level, sharing only one conversation which can be read in the context of a scumconversation.

Second part is a reach, I have barely interacted with you either, My interaction would have been higher had I been around when Foilist presented his fantastic case on Hindu

He has absolutely no opinion on the Hinduragi case, and actively tries to draw attention away from it.

I was suspicous of archie when the hindu case first was brought up, and didn't feel the nervous energy... that now is apparently there. I wasn't trying to draw attention away from it

Switz your case in my mind is reaching... claiming contradictions when they arent there and making any and all actions scum-like... you are clawing basically from getting heat off of you.

We should wait til seraph comes to announce his claim.. if ever.

And with that I shall nap.

[silverbullet999]

yeah... sorta lost interest once my partner offed himself lol

[silverbullet999]

debatable...

[silverbullet999]

yes but again motivation left me as soon as partner offed himself.. thus not much thought really mattered to me. I kept debating between you and seraph, went with you in hopes that seraph would just end it

[silverbullet999]

you were proven town in my eyes from hindu..

[silverbullet999]

meh as i said i was demotivated from day 1 results and my other games... I retire once i finish up my other two games... well i may just replace out of one.

[silverbullet999]

though I'm very disappointed in silver's attitude.

Don't understand why as it wasn't like i went "screw this i'm scum lynch me" in game...

Anyway, Hinduragi committed suicide and I knew why - so that the partner wouldn't need to comment on Hinduragi's situation. Which meant that the partner was most probably a player who hadn't had the chance to react - Switz or silverbullet999 (or even archaebob)

and this is EXACTLY why i really lost interest in the game after day 1. I have never seen a mafia suicide and completely disagree that it was in anyway a helpful move.

[silverbullet999]

Hinduragi was basically dead, you probably should have been on the wagon or hammered.

You are reiterating my point, I was gone for the day, and when i checked back i see to my surprsie the day had ended with hindu being lynched. I GLADLY would have bussed him and hopped on the wagon or hammered (as stated in the quicktopic) but he didn't even give me the chance to do that!

[silverbullet999]

Much rather have been bussed than seeing my partner self hammer.
First game that it's occurred here for me and I still don't see the point of it as was apparent the only people who didn't bus were me and maybe 2 others... thus making it more likely we were scum.
It was not a pro-scum move.

He also could have fake claimed a pr to last one more day at the least.

[silverbullet999]

As I said glad this game was over with as I lost all my motivation in it. It wasn't a perfect victory for you guys so I'm more than happy.