Newbie 948: Mod Abandoned

[Dr.Cyanide]

Hey guys. Lets get this game started.

Random Vote: ycz6

just 'cause they're the last to confirm.

[Dr.Cyanide]

See, I type one post and someone beats me with two posts. I really need to pay more attention.

Question One: No. By technicality I 'think' I should be I.C by now, but I was replaced out of all my previous games because I disappeared without V/LA- (r/l issues suck when they come up en force)

1a) I don't know. Probably the usual probing? Speaking of:

Antiximo, what's with all the questions? Taking a pro-town role early as to avoid suspicion? Also, will you be answering your own questions?

1b) My first game, I was town, but I got killed N2 for 'being too much of a threat.' I then replaced into the same game (for someone who was mighty scummy) as mafia, quick-hammered, then got replaced out while I was AWOL. Mafia won, so I count it as a win and a loss (which essentially cancels itself out).

[Dr.Cyanide]

Cyanide, there are questions just for you to answer above. Also, let's say ycz6 continues to lurk for 48 hours without confirmation or conversation, would you rather modkill or lynch.

Neither, I'd rather have him replaced because I'm not Anti-Town.

Until I get a complete understanding of it, i probably will continue to not do it.

However that's more story on not RVS'ing, now i will be stalking your posts.

Firstly, this is a newbie game. Therefore, RVS is a way to encourage banter and content. People learning to play the game need somewhere to start, RVS gives us a starting point. I don't disagree with RQS, I just think it should be implimented later on, say- after RVS.

Secondly, just because you do not agree with RVS, does not mean everyone will just follow suit with you. I find the way you are trying to take a dominant role in thread so early on somewhat mildly disturbing. Also, just because I've posted a RandomVote, before I even knew you had posted, does not seem like adequate reason for you to "stalk" my posts. Everyone should be looked on in the same light, as a possible suspect. Special attention is granted when it is warranted.

On a lighter note, I look forward to playing this game with you. You obviously will be an interesting person to try and read.

[Dr.Cyanide]

V/LA= Vacation/ Limited Access.

I see you didn't explain much about your Mafia role, that's quite interesting.

I didn't really do that much as mafia, I quick-hammered one townie, then gave a defence the next day- then went AWOL because of r/l and was replaced out.

Being too much of a threat eh? So you can play a pretty mean pro-town then. I'm going to expect you to be top-notch and making some high quality posts Cyanide. I'm counting on you.

You're counting on me? That's great. How do you know I'm not mafia?
I'm definitely keeping my eyes on you, buddy. You reek.

So where is everyone else?

[Dr.Cyanide]

I just want further clarification, what makes mod killing anti-town? What makes you think that ycz6 is infact, town? (modkilling a mafia would be quite pro-town). I need further clarification on that statement please sir.

The question isn't what makes mod-killing anti-town, but what makes wanting mod-kills anti-town. Mod-kills on town players obviously make scums job easier. So I question why you would ask the mod about mod-kills in the that regard.

Unvote

just by the way.

Yes, I am counting on you Dr. C, to give quality posts from now on.

Trying to get me to conform to 'your standards' is not going to help you/town let alone help you look better to town.

You have explained to me that at one point, mafia has considered you a 'threat' and killed you during the night (however I just noted that mafia still won that game, perhaps you weren't as much of a threat as considered).

Then degrading me in the same sentence still doesn't help you.

You have potential to be great town... however from the wording you gave me, therefore i want to see it in your posts. If I don't, i can only consider you scum.

I have potential to be great town, and a threat to you if you are scum, therefore you set the standard you wish me to conform to, so you can paint a target on my back. And if I don't conform to your standard, I'm scum anyway. Nice try.

That's not going to work either. You can stop being patronising now.

But wait, theres more.

You have also said that you do have experience with this game, so I cannot be lenient in your scumtells.

Yeah, well the same goes for you buddy, and it's not looking good. Especially considering you're already trying to insinuate that I've made scum-tells. (good to see you're reading the wiki though.)

[Dr.Cyanide]

Welcome, Thunderclees87!

Please enjoy your stay!
...unless you're scum-
if so, please roll over and die.

[Dr.Cyanide]

Hey guys,

First of all, sorry for the disappearance. Would have V/LA'ed before the weekend, but I didn't have time. I like the fact that I have a life has garnered me a few votes though.

Reading back and writing post (in notepad, as per).

[Dr.C]

[Dr.Cyanide]

Sorry to see you go Coheed.

[Dr.Cyanide]

I would like everyone's opinion on Zodiark's comment.

First, is Anti actually causing a problem?

That entirely depends on if he is scum, in which case I am 50/50 on at the moment. (leaning towards over-eager town)

Second, was it scummy for Zodiark to attack him like this?

Generally, yes. Zodiark may have been threatened by the fact that Anti was taking his place as IC. But as IC, Zodiark shouldn't be acting like this. I do question why Zodiark has only been attacking Anti because of his input, instead of actually scum-hunting, which he should know how to do as IC.

More soon.

[Dr.Cyanide]

Vote Analysis:

1) Dr.Cyanide RV's ycz6. (page 1, post 6)
2) Dr.Cyanide unvotes. (page 1, post 16)
3) Zodiark13 votes Antiximo (page 1, post 24)
4) Pittbunny RV's brothernature (page 2, post 41)
5) ycz6 votes Dr.Cyanide (page 3, post 54)
6) Antiximo votes Dr.Cyanide x2 (page 3, post 68)
7) brothernature votes Antiximo (page 3, post 73)
8) Pittbunny unvotes, votes Antiximo (page 5, post 109)

1 and 2 are pretty self-explanatory.

3. Zodiark quotes certain parts of Antiximo/Cyanide conversation, bolding this:

"The conversation between me and Dr. C has some juicy information from both ends of the table (the table between Dr.C and I that is,"

citing that Antiximo has ratted himself and I out as scum. This doesn't look right to me. We were on page one, and although Anti and I disagreed, I look at this vote as Zodiark being upset about his role being taken. (Somewhat OMGUS)

4, Also self-explanatory.

5.ycz6 votes Cyanide, "At the moment, Dr.C seems more scummy than Anti." Justified, as it may be his opinion, but I remain weary of ycz6 as the vote analysis and reading that I've done has put him in two hypothetical scum-teams.

6. Antiximo:

"With this lacking point of conversation. I'm going to go off a whim here."

I find this vote interesting, especially considering several posts earlier he says:

"Scum is scum good sir. From my point of view, I would rather have killed me first instead of Dr. C. Afterall, I clearly was buddying with Dr. C. I'm the one who's scummier from that comment correct?"

This may or may not have been to spark more conversation, but the fact that he throws this vote down after ycz6 is somewhat concerning.

7.brothernature votes Antiximo because of the fact that Antiximo voted after ycz6.

"I don't really understand why you would wait to point out something you find scummy and place your vote."

From memory, Antiximo tries to explain this away by saying 'why wouldn't I explain myself and then vote,' but that's not what brothernature was getting at. He was saying 'Why wait for someone else to vote, then give a few reasons and jump on the bandwagon.' I find this vote justified, as Antiximo has made a scummy move here.

8.Pittbunnys vote on Antiximo. Hasn't really been explained. Also I question why he left his random vote on brothernature for so long, only changing it to Anti after two others had already voted for him.

So Pittbunny, do you want to explain your vote?

[Dr.Cyanide]

That doesn't make any sense. I am asking if his volume of posts is large enough to discourage participation of others or make the thread hard to read. In other words is there any reason he should be posting less? Please note that the answer to my question does not depend on whether he is scum.

Sorry, mis-interpreted that.

Noone should have a problem with content. Content is what we need to win the game. The only time an over-abundance of posts from a player becaomes problematic is when it's mostly fluff.

[Dr.Cyanide]

Welcome to the game, thatguy00.

[Dr.Cyanide]

Dr.C's post #16 is extremely defensive, especially this bit:
Dr.Cyanide wrote:
I have potential to be great town, and a threat to you if you are scum, therefore you set the standard you wish me to conform to, so you can paint a target on my back. And if I don't conform to your standard, I'm scum anyway. Nice try.

There's certainly something to be said for calling out buddying, which Anti was doing, but Dr.C's response is unusually harsh. It seems like he's trying to set up himself up as counter to Anti
...
Dr.C, why did you take such offense to Anti's complimenting you?

I'd be willing to take my vote off of you if you provided a satisfactory explanation.

Anti's attempts at buddying, whilst being patronizing generally pissed me off. How I looked at it, he was scum trying to look pro-town, looking for a scapegoat for later in the game. I don't like being pinned as someones scapegoat, especially when their win condition isn't the same as mine. Either way it seems to have worked though, as my retaliation to him has garnered me two votes and suspicion. But if Anti gets lynched and he's town- does the fact that I thought he was scum trying to set me up get me lynched as well?

Anyway, as I said before, I'm still 50/50 on him, I said leaning over-eager town before, but the more I look at him, the more my opinion slides.

Also-

[quote="ycz6']
Dr.Cyanide wrote:

I remain weary of ycz6 as the vote analysis and reading that I've done has put him in two hypothetical scum-teams.

Erm, care to explain? [/quote]

Looking at Vote Analysis, and previous posts, I've put you in two hypothetical scumteams. What is there to explain?

[Dr.Cyanide]

Damnit, I knew I should have hit preview first...

[Dr.Cyanide]

Or I could not, and just pretend I did.

[Dr.Cyanide]

V/LA

Just by the way, I can't believe you guys let Anti get lynched. Even though he was a suspect, we would have had more on the players going after him if you didn't let thatguy quickhammer him.

Town is disappoint.