Newbie 933 ~ Town Win!

[theguide730]

Hey y'all.

I only have 1 mafia game under my belt, which I did horrible in. I think I've learned from my mistakes, though, so I think I'll be able to redeem myself in this game.

Also,

Vote: Boberz

Stop stealing my irl name! [/b]

[theguide730]

1) Random searching on google for mafia forums. I liked this one the best, so I joined up.
2) I'm planing to major in Psychology next fall. The way I figure it, I might as well do stuff in my free time which I can apply that to.
3) In my last game, I was way too cautious, not really understanding the way the early game works. I mistook pressure bandwagons as scum quicklynches, and directed my suspicion against some of the most proactive townies. Now that I've learned from that, you can expect me to be a lot more aggressive. In the early game, I'll be fishing for possible scumtells, and once I decide someone's suspicious, you can expect me to pressure until I'm reasonably certain that you're in the clear.
4) Neither. Can't stand either of them.
5) My decisions are going to be very well-thought out. I'll be keeping a word document open during the game, so I can record notable things said/player alliances/predictions for the future, etc.. Besides the early game, my votes will have tremendous thought put into them.
6) Not nervous at all! I might mess up again, but that's the best way to learn! I'm ready to give this game my all!

[theguide730]

That's a tough question to answer. It really depends on the circumstance. Generally, if they can produce a well-thought out response, and manage not to contradict themselves, all clear them ftm (fot the moment). A lot of my thinking will be based on what actions ultimately benefit which faction, and what will create the safest environment for scum to hide in.

[theguide730]

Haha, yep, that it is.

[theguide730]

@ Weird
Its really not that hard to sum up your playstyle/personality. There's no reason not to do it, unless of course, you don't want to set a standard that you'll have to live up to later in the game.

[theguide730]

I'd vote for lurkers. I don't necessarily consider it a scumtell, but not voting for them sets a precedent that scum can hide behind. I'll feel a lot better if we make it clear to the scum that they can't just coast by and let the town do all the talking.

[theguide730]

@ Die (would rather you rather me call you that, or prediger):

Lurkers are those who don't contribute much to the game. As in, a week goes by, and they only post 7 times. They're just lurking around, watching the action unfold. This is a good thing for scum to do (if the town lets them), because it means that they won't be giving away any tells.

Also, Neto is an IC (Inexperienced Challenged). He's familiar with the game, so he's here to give us tips. IIRC, Badger is our other IC.

@Neto
I'm gonna echo Die here. I'd like to hear you answer your own questions.

[theguide730]

Unvote

Vote: Me=Weird

[theguide730]

Well, it wasn't entirely random. I deliberately neglected to include an explanation to see how you would react.

Also, my gut doesn't like the way you voted for Neko. It was a safe vote, considering that two people echoed your sentiments (well, just Die really. I only wanted him to answer his own ?'s. Actually, not even Die, though his tone made me feel as if he was tinking along those lines), and you were able to use an established suspicion as your reason.

Don't worry, I don't find you extremely susp. just yet. Time will tell if my gut was right.

[theguide730]

Also, do you find anyone else susp. atm, besides Neto? If so, why?

Just to reiterate, I don't find anyone susp. yet. I only have a gut feeling on weird, which I'm not going to rely on until I have more concrete proof.

[theguide730]

Wait, wut? Didn't I say that I didn't find Neto suspicious, that I just wanted him to answer his own questions out of curiosity?

Also, in regards to that quote, I was just acknowledging that Weird found him suspicious.

[theguide730]

Btw, I'm doing college app stuff atm, and have my mafia window open on the side. I've been refreshing every fifteen minutes.

Just for anyone that's curious about why I'm replying so fast.

[theguide730]

So you're saying you have a gut feeling that Neto is town?

Just realized that I didn't respond to this. No, I have no feelings towards Neto atm; I meant that I have a gut feeling that you're scum.

[theguide730]

I'll be answering them myself once everybody else has answered.

Whoa! Totally missed that. I thought you were just asking questions without answering them yourself. Not that's a bad thing, but still, its proof that you were going to answer them.

[theguide730]

Yo, Melon. What are your views on the recent Weird hate? Do you find him/anyone else suspicious?

[theguide730]

That's interesting, because to me that says scum trying to bring any suspicion off them by putting it on someone else with a feasible explanation for doing so, so I think that I'll

Unvote

and

FoS: Robocopter87

@guide: I now find robo suspicious.

Could you rephrase your suspicion of Robo for me? I'm looking at his post and yours, and I can't tell what you meant.

Until then, I'm going to consider it OMGUS.

[theguide730]

Btw, from what I'm reading, I'm assuming that your logic there was that because Robo had a good explanation for voting you, he must be scum. That's really bad logic, mate; if he has a good case, we should try to explore it.

Also, if what I just said is indeed what you meant, you just singlehandedly admitted that there's a legitimate argument for you being scum.

[theguide730]

FOS: AClockworkMelon

For failing to respond directly to my question, and giving an extremely vague answer.

Please tell me your views on the Weird hate (as in, what do you think of the cases against him, and those who are going after him), and what you find suspicious about specific members of our group.

[theguide730]

Also, could you (melon) get an avatar? It'll help to associate it with your words.

[theguide730]

I don't think there's "Weird hate" at all. He has two votes against him.

Whether it exists or not is besides the point. I asked what you thought of the people going after them, and their arguments. Not whether or not it was a big deal

I don't find anything in particular suspicious about other members of the group,

yet

. I was tempted take a closer look at

you

for casting suspicion on me after I gave what I felt to be an adequate answer; but on a moment's reflection I don't think that your actions warrant undue suspicion from me as of yet.

Semi OMGUS? I'm so tempted to vote for you right now.

Responses in grape.

[theguide730]

Ugh, that is so not grape. I must have clicked the wrong color.

Oh, btw:

Unvote

Vote: AClockworkMelon

[theguide730]

Stop trying to avoid the question. If it really bugs you that much, how about this phrasing:

Do you find Robo or me suspicious for the way we attacked Weird?

[theguide730]

Yep, true OMGUS. What a surprise.

And that's beside the point. You didn't defend OR accuse Weird. Thats why I'm suspicious.

I'm not letting people get away with not committing.

[theguide730]

If you're innocent, voting for me won't be in your benefit.

Oh? For what reasons, pray tell? Because you're town?

Get a better defense. We all have an equal chance of being scum, and from what I see, you're the scummiest of all of us.

Yeah, I said it.

[theguide730]

I find you all suspicious

You're contradicting yourself.

[theguide730]

I'm not trying to avoid the question. I already said that I didn't find ANYTHING that ANY of you have done suspicious. That would, presumably, include your "attacks" on Me=Weird.

~Lights a wooden tobacco pipe.~

I find you all suspicious, but none of you more so than the others.

Vote: No Lynch

Looking at these posts again, I can see what you were trying to say. You meant that although no one has given any scum tells, you feel as if no one has given any town vibes either, making everyone equally suspicious. Sorry about that, I misinterpreted.

Is that true? That you don't think anyone has given off townie vibes? I'd like to hear your answer to this, because I don't want to put words in your mouth.

[theguide730]

I don't think I've said anything suspicious. But you so quickly changed your vote away from the "Weird hate" and onto me. If Me=Weird is innocent and I am not, you would think I would have encouraged suspicion of him. But if we're both guilty then it wouldn't matter for which of us you voted. Very curious indeed.

So, you're using a hypothetical example of what you would do as scum to make yourself seem like a townie? You know, if you were scum, you wouldn't tell us what you would do, meaning that this logic is invalid.

The second part, I don't get what you're trying to prove. So what if it makes no difference if you're both scum... that's what I was leaning towards anyways (granted, Weird is still a gut feeling).

But yeah, this ain't sound logic.

Thus, OMGUS.

[theguide730]

@Melon

That is precisely what I thought when I played my first game. Going by that logic, I attacked the people who would end up winning the game for town in the end, and let scum slip under my radar.

Going aggressively against people generates responses. It makes it more likely for the scum to slip up, if they have someone going at them every single page.

@everyone else

From the way Melon's responded to my inquiries, I'd be totally comfortable with lynching him today. Does anyone else share my sentiments? Does anyone agree with Melon, that my attacks paint me as scum? Is there anyone else, besides us that sticks out in this game? Last but not least, is there anyone that you think is probably town atm?

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@ Weird
Its actually happened before. In the first game I played in, actually. Guy got 'em 5 pages in, but let other people arouse his suspicions.

Also, I just have a gut feeling on you. Hence, why I'm not voting for you; my evidence is laughable at this point.

Also, notice how I make sure to ask everyone's opinion on the situation? I even ask people if they have any other scum cases that they might like to see. That post was pretty much a summation of my feelings about Melon; now that we have that established, we can talk about other stuff, and get the bigger picture. Seriously, we've been at it for two pages now; going at it any more will just waste time, and I'm pretty sure that melon won't say anything to change my suspicions.

[theguide730]

Weird, how is pressuring someone scummy? Especially a person that no one suspects except me.

[theguide730]

3) In my last game, I was way too cautious, not really understanding the way the early game works. I mistook pressure bandwagons as scum quicklynches, and directed my suspicion against some of the most proactive townies. Now that I've learned from that, you can expect me to be a lot more aggressive. In the early game, I'll be fishing for possible scumtells, and once I decide someone's suspicious, you can expect me to pressure until I'm reasonably certain that you're in the clear.

As you can see, I even said how I was going to play from the get-go.

[theguide730]

Lawl, I make up nearly half the posts in this thread.

[theguide730]

Beef, care to answer the questions I asked a few posts up?

[theguide730]

Post 63, to be precise.

[theguide730]

Oh, I can admit that I'm wrong. Melon hasn't given me a reason to do so.

[theguide730]

Which IC, exactly? We have two of them, and neither has posted much.

[theguide730]

Lawl, I've been quad posting, son.

[theguide730]

If we could edit, we could delete evidence against us.

[theguide730]

Okay, I what I posted was a bit strong, I might be wrong, the person who can't admit he's wrong is the person who isn't that smart.

Who were you referring to, here? Melon? I interpreted it as myself.

[theguide730]

KK, I'll go over his posts again and see what else I can come up with. I thinks I nailed the gist of it, but therecould be something that I missed.

You know, you could just vote for him. Votes aren't really that important things; if you see him getting close to lynch, you could always unvote. Bandwagoning is a great way to pressure people, and you can always jump it later if you don't want to lynch the guy.

[theguide730]

Actually, that's not true, somewhat. Though votes are easily retractable, they do mark your alliances/enemies for later reference. So, yeah, vote at your own discretion; its not as simple as I made it out to be.

[theguide730]

From what I can tell, he's going off the assumption that Melon=mafia.

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A few things:

No lynch vote was horrible.

Too much OMGUSing

the above are too true

Too much questioning (although granted it is better than RVS) I didnt mind the original question.

There's no such thing as too much questioning!

Responses in olive.

Its a better color than grape, anyways.

[theguide730]

I apologize for posting so much. I was eager to start the game, and wanted to respond to every point made. I should have realized that it would be a pain for everyone to read. My apologies for being inconsiderate

Also, why did you warn me with the IWTGARFY? I've played the game before, I know what it means. (I think. Would you be o.k. with it if I posted what I think it means, just to be sure? If I get it wrong, you all get cheap laughs at me, which I probably deserve at this point.).

As for the melon thing, it not so much the no lynch vote, but how he reacted.

[theguide730]

When I used us, I meant the members of the group as a whole. You, me, robo, anyone.

[theguide730]

The OMGUSing was about you.

Where did I OMGUS? I'm guessing that you're talking about my attack on Melon. In that case, I started to attack him, and then he started to do the equivalent of FoS for my attacking him. From the way I read it, he was the one who OMGUS'd. Also, I may very well have messed up, but could you be a bit nicer about it? I'm just trying to learn, and will take whatever criticism you have to offer.

Reading Neto/Badger's responses. Will type out a reply sometime soon.

[theguide730]

Not liking Guide's countervote; calling a reasoned vote scummy based on gut is anti-town, particularly before neto had been forced to respond and combined with the transparent attempt to redirect attention by asking about other suspicions.. Potentially scum helping to hide a buddy.

5) I also don't like Guide's vote on Me=Weird. There is an excellent reason to do it, but he needs to post his reasoning here. This isn't really a scumtell, it's a matter of good play - never just post a vote, always include reasoning with that vote.

I actually already addressed these two points, as is seen here:

Well, it wasn't entirely random. I deliberately neglected to include an explanation to see how you would react.

Also, my gut doesn't like the way you voted for Neko. It was a safe vote, considering that two people echoed your sentiments (well, just Die really. I only wanted him to answer his own ?'s. Actually, not even Die, though his tone made me feel as if he was tinking along those lines), and you were able to use an established suspicion as your reason.

As you can see, I made the vote to see how he would react, to see if I had anything other than my gut to go on. Also, I felt that he was taking advantage of the opportunity that the questioning of Neto represented.

11) Guide's Post #63 changes my analysis somewhat. He says that he'd be willing to lynch Melon right now. I really don't like that. Several of our players haven't posted, and generally we shouldn't lynch until a consensus has been reached and all players have weighed in.

You're ready to lynch just a few hours into the game, without even hearing from some of the other players? Scummy. Even if I KNEW clock was scum, I would want to hear from others so we could start on our search for our next mafioso.

I don’t think I said that he would be the definite vote for the day, just that I would be comfortable with lynching him atm. Right after that sentence Badger quoted, I asked other people what they though about other subjects. I even said that we were wasting too much time on the Melon discussion two posts down.

Seriously, I'm not trying to centralize our focus on Melon. By all means, let us talk about something else.

I'm still going to keep my vote on him, because I still believe that he reacted very defensively and vaguely to my questions. Yet, a lot has happened in the last page, and I'm honestly debating if I should change my vote.

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@ Melon:
The reason I thought you were defensive was because the first thing that you did after I FoS'd you was to indicate a possibility of voting me. Basically, because of percieved OMGUS. I felt like you were lashing out. Coupled with the fact that I thought you were avoiding my questions (IMO), I voted for you, and kept the pressure on to see how you would respond.

[theguide730]

You know what? I'm actually not certain atm. Though I don't want to seem like I'm going with popular opinion, Robo, Badger, and Neto honestly made me reconsider my opinion of you. I still find you suspicious, but not necessarily scum.

Let me reread the thread, taking things from a completely fresh perspective. I promise I'll get a new post in answering your question before the night is through.

[theguide730]

It was four votes? I thought it was just you, Robo, and Beef?

Anyways, it wasn't their votes that changed my opinion. It was the way in which the IC's/Se's challenged my opinion that made me realize that I was acting a bit stupid. Honestly, I'd be willing to let myself be lynched if I thought that my questions would shed light people's affiliations.

[theguide730]

Nah, Robo unvoted me. So I'm at two now. Weird+Beef.

[theguide730]

I've decided that I don't want to stay up past 11:00 writing out my response. I'll wake up early tomorrow, and finish what I've written thus far.

Just want to make sure nobody stays up for my sake, lol.

[theguide730]

O.K., I now have control of the computer again. My mom wanted to file taxes when she woke up. Typing out my new stance.

[theguide730]

All right, here's what I think after re-reading.

Melon: I still consider they way you responded to me kinda weird. However, looking back on my own arguments, I can see that a lot of my aversion to

So, Unvote

Me=Weird: You're pretty much the only person I think I've been right about this whole thread. From day one, you've been going with popular sentiment. First, voting against neto, after Me and Die questioned him. When you saw that there was a townie that was strongly again Melon, you FoS'd him. When the IC's came in and criticized my playstyle, you quickly switched your vote to me. From what I can see, you've been way to opotunistic for my own liking.

Beef: Same stuff as Weird, but to a lesser extent, because you haven't posted as much. Pretty much, you've just gone with popular opinion when it came to Melon and me, essentially saying "yeah, what he said," each time. I'll wait to after you until you post a bit more, but know that I have my eye on you.

Boberz: You've given what I believe to be well thought out, prompt to other people's questions, and have made a clear case against your scum pick. As with Beef, you haven't reall posted much, but I've been getting

DiePrediger: So far, I have no reason to suspect you. You've been asking thoughtful questions, and clearly showing who you suspect. Though I disagree with your opinion on bandwagons (I consider them to be a great pressuring tool), I can't really find fault with anything else you've been doing. Granted, you haven't posted much, so my opinion may very well change as the day goes on.

Neto/Badger/Robo: You guys have been posting the least in the thread thus far, but have been the most eloquent in your posts. Your posts in the previous page have done more for town than anything I've been doing. I'd rank you about the same level as Die Prediger in terms of towniness.

One last thing: I can definitely see how the way I went about scumhunting is toxic to the town. I'm going to take it a bit slower, and watch the way the IC's/Se's do things. Don't worry, I'm not using this as an easy excuse to lurk; I'll still be posting my opinions, answering questions, making cases, and so forth. I'll just be a lot less McCarthy'ish about it.

Also, if anyone wants me to go a bit more in depth about any of my opinions, feel free to ask.

[theguide730]

Forgot to bold the unvote of melon.

Unvote

[theguide730]

I noticed that I forgot to finish typing my opinions of Melon. Here's what I would've written, in its entirety:

@Melon: I still consider they way you responded to me kinda weird. However, looking back on my own arguments, I can see that a lot of my aversion to you was based solely on this. I was barely giving any thought to how your actions might benefit the mafia, whether you might just be wording stuff in a bad way, etc. I can now see why people thought my attack on you was OMGUS.

So, though I consider you one of the most suspicious people in the game, I no longer think that my vote is necessary.

[theguide730]

EBWOP: The use of "one of most suspicious people in the game" was a bit too strong. I meant to say more; as in, you stand out moreso than others, but you're not quite scum territory yet.

[theguide730]

When you say tag fail, are you talking about your quote of me? Right after I said what you had quoted, I said that you guys had been the most eloquent in your posts; i.e., you've been posting the best content, which you called me out for not acknowledging.

[theguide730]

Your post wasn't addressing it, actually, it was what I was asking about. How was he "taking advantage" and of what "opportunity"? Why did you feel the need, with Neto under pressure, to attack Weird for asking him questions?

Me and Die had already expressed our desire to see Neto elaborate; Die hinted that he thought it might be suspicious, I simply expressed a desire to hear what he thought. I thought it was strange that Weird actually voted for him, under the same suspicions that Die had brought forth, especially because most of the people posting at that point wanted Neto to answer his questions. So, the opportunity was a chance to safely vote for someone, without adding any new knowledge of the game.

Also, I wasn't defending Neto. If I was, then I would have attacked Die, the original person to ask the questions.

Backpedaling. My argument still stands; you pushed a quick lynch, and now that you've been called out for it you're dropping your suspicions and vote. If you were so sure he's scum that you're ready to lynch, why the sudden about face?

I've gotta admit, this seems really suspicious. If I was in your shoes, I'd be susp. about me too. However, I'm going to stay true to the assertion that I recognized my attacks on Melon as bad play. If I keep on hammering him for the integrity of my old position, I'm going to lose the valuable chance to hunt other scum.

Also, I never said that I'm dropping my suspicions; I still consider Melon possible scum. I just want to look for things that are more substantial than my my case against him. Though I lean strongly towards the opinion that he's scum, I'm not as certain as I once was.

[theguide730]

Neto, care to explain what waffley means? I can't find it in the wiki.

[theguide730]

Gah. I really made a lot of grammatical errors in my big post on page 6. I apparently messed up on my Boberz atatement, but not to the degree of my Melon one. I only missed a couple of words, which would have said that I'm getting a town vibe from him.

[theguide730]

Question for everyone: Who do you feel is the most likely to be town at this point?

Feel free to skip this question if you've already answered this in another post.

[theguide730]

@ Weird:

Whose reactions were you fishing for when you voted Neto? His, or the group's in general?

[theguide730]

I'm going to echo Robo's demand for a scumlist here, but for Beef instead. I really want to hear what his opinions are on everyone.

[theguide730]

Well, it would be easy enough to notice who bandwagons the top scum picks/buddy's the people thought to be town.

Imo, it would be a good thing; it would be good bait to flush scum out.

Then again, I'm also a newb, so my logic might be flawed.

[theguide730]

Yes, initially it was more or less a bandwagon vote, but I looked at some more posts. With his initial eagerness to blindly lynch to

his absurd reasoning for Melon

(

which had me convinced until I thought about it more

), it all seems to point at him being scum.

theguide730 has a point.

It seems reasonable to lynch Melon with the way he's reacting. He's being awfully defensive.

This would be a contradiction, had he not added the underlined bit.

Still, I think its a bit suspicious that he happened to see my actions as scummy the instant everyone else thought so.

Also, lol at my initial eagerness to blindly lynch. My vote on Boberz was in the random vote stage; it means nothing. It was simply a way to get conversation started. Unless you're talking about my vote on Weird, which was not blind at all.

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Beef, would you care to clarify what my about my behavior was absurd? Until you provide your own reasoning for the vote, I'm just going to think that you're riding Robo's thunder.

By all means, feel free to rip me apart. It'll go a long way towards convincing me that you're town.

Also, I still haven't gotten a scumlist from you.

[theguide730]

Totally understandable. Take your time.

[theguide730]

All right, I'm going to post a bit more later tonight. But before I do so, I want to address the suspicion of people who randomly voted at the beginning of the game. I.e., me for Boberz, or Robo for Melon. This is something called the RVS (Random Vote Stage), where people vote people for inane things because there simply isn't anything to go on. It also provides a way to judge people's reactions. Basically, its a way to get the ball rolling, and not scummy in the least.

[theguide730]

Yo, Die. I know that this is a bit off topic, but as I was looking at your posts in iso, I couldn't help but wonder the meaning of your name. I'm guessing Prediger is a person?

Just curious, is all.

[theguide730]

I feel really tired atm, so I'll give a bit more reasoning for the following in the morning.

1) I have a feeling that there isn't a weird/beef scumteam. One of them might be scum, I just don't think that they're a pair.
2) One of the people going after Weird/Beef is scum.
3) I not certain how to feel about the fact that Badger is defending Weird. If Weird flips town, then Badger will be the only person on record that defended him. Personally, I think that the scariest thing imaginable atm would be a scumpair between Badger and one of the people attacking Weird. The scum would be able to have it both ways; they'd be able to lay claim to the only person who defended him, and be able to make a case against Weird in the process.

Please note that number 3 is a "what if" situation; I have no way to prove it. In fact, I consider it the least likely situation, especially because I'm getting a townish read from Badger. The only reason I brought it up is because out of all the possible scumteams, I'd consider this to be the most threatening on day 2.

While we're on the subject of scumteams, does anyone have any possibilities that they'd like to share? We've been talking about individual scum for the most part, and I think that talking about possible teams would bring a new dynamic to the game.

[theguide730]

Oh, yes, of course. When I looked at Badger's posts, he seemed totally legit; he simply saw something that we considered to be scummy in a positive light (that, upon further reflection, I can see as well. I still see Weird's later actions as suspicious, but I'm not certain if I can call his vote on you scummy if I look at it on its own). In that situation, it would be perfectly reasonable to add some counter-balance to what he thought to be a groupwide attack on a townie.

The only reason I even mentioned the possibility of him being scum is because I found the situation to be interesting.

[theguide730]

Last post was directed at Neto, if it wasn't clear.

Good night, everyone. Will post in the morning.

[theguide730]

Vote: Beefster

I don't like how he's always gone with the popular scum pick, most recently being his suspicion of Weird.

Please note that this is a pressure vote. I'm not quite certain how to feel about him, and would like to see how he reacts with three votes on him (me, Boberz, and Robo, correct?).

[theguide730]

=_=

Can I fail harder? Honestly, I should have been able to see that on my own...

Unvote

[theguide730]

Hey, everyone. I want to apologize for not being as active as I have. Some family members that I don't usually have been visiting me this week. I've been focused more on spending time with them than playing the game, because I knew that they would be leaving tomorrow. At first, I figured it wouldn't be that big a deal if I let a day pass by without much activity, but something has changed. They're offering to give me a ride to the place where I would have been spending my Easter holiday anyways, a couple days early. I see no reason to decline their offer, so everyone should consider me V/LA until next Tuesday.

[theguide730]

Sup, dudes! Ima dude too!

So, yeah, I got back a day early. So far, the only thing I've read is the top of this page. I thought the gender ambiguation deserved a comment before I moved on, so I just typed this out. You can expect a mega-post from me between 10:00 PM tonight to 12:00 PM tomorrow, depending if I manage to stay awake as I type it (I'm known for falling asleep in front of my computer).

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This part is totally unrelated to the game, but I'd just like to say that as of today, all my college stuff is completely taken care of. I've decided where I want to go, finished my financial stuff, knocked pretty much everything that was causing me stress off the radar!

Sorry for getting off track, but I'm just so hyped about this, I couldn't help but bring it up. lol.

[theguide730]

Hey guys. Just wanted to let you know that a relative wants me to help her move her furniture into storage. She's offering money to do it, and I'm kinda broke, so I'm spending my day doing that.

I tried to post this before I left, but my internet hung on me. You should expect my evaluation thing to come around 5:00-7:00 PM. Don't worry, its coming.

[theguide730]

I'd like to drop out of the game. Various rl stuff prevented me from posting in the time limits that I promised, and will probably continue to do so up till next Sunday. I don't think that I'll be able to be a productive member of the town, even if I do wait that long to rejoin the game, because y'all are probably suspicious of me for breaking my promise (which I do apologize for. I should have realized that I would need more time to respond, and given myself a later deadline). I think I've betrayed whatever trust you guys have had in me, and that you would be better off in this game with a fresh player. Plus, actually leaving the game should kill any suspicion of me for breaking my promise, so my counter-part wouldn't have to deal with this.

[theguide730]

@ everyone: I'm back because I managed to take care of my stuff quicker than I thought I'd be able to. I didn't want to force you guys to wait until Sunday to hear from me, so I just opted out. Since I have time on my hands atm, here I am!

There's also the fact that I replaced out of the only other game I've been in. I really want to finish a game, and I'd hate to have to drop out again.

[theguide730]

Weird, what are your thoughts on me? Even if my replacement had come into the game, you could still have made a decision about our alignment from my past behavior.

[theguide730]

Sorry for the triple post, but I wanted to know if people would be o.k. if I just put forth a case on my most likely suspects, instead of my thoughts on the game as a whole. Though I've read the thread, a lot has happened since i was last active (lol hypocrisy. Nothing like finding out what reading through a massive thread is like to discourage one from going on a post binge.). It will be difficult to say everything in one sitting.

If you guys have any specific things that you would like me to address, feel free to ask me.

[theguide730]

Melon, I don't think I really can respond to that. It all depends on whether you think I'm being straightforward with you or not. Whether I'm being honest about my absence or not, I'd stick true to my excuse, leaving you to decide what the true answer is.

The only real way I can prove my intentions is to start being as active as possible, starting now.

[theguide730]

Before I start my big post, I want to say that Melon is obv town at this point, for those going after him atm. I don't believe that Beefster would have put his pressure onto his wagon at the beginning if they were scumpartners. It looked to me like Beef genuinely wanted to get melon quicklynched.

[theguide730]

We've got 7 players in the game, mate. 2 whole days before we're at LYLO. I don't think it will hurt to point these things out at this point. Especially if it means a smaller lynchpool.

[theguide730]

Neto was going pretty hard on you not that long ago. Iirc, his last post about you implied that he thought that your survival instinct was suspicious, but not necessarily a scumtell. It sounded like he was waiting for more information on you before he made his decision, meaning he might have ended up going after you with the proper convincing.

[theguide730]

You know, that quote about the darkside pretty much sums up my own feelings...

Like I said before, I don't think that melon is suspicious. I'm also ready to put Robo next to him, since he was unwaveringly chasing Beef practically from the beginning of the game. Now I have two townies I'm pretty sure about, but it gets tough from here...

Badger, Neto, and Boberz have been posting good content... I'm getting a town read from them, but I don't know if I can trust that. I haven't seen anything necessarily scummy that they've done, but I might have missed something. I keep getting the feeling that I'm missing something, but I don't know what. I'll have to look over them again.

Something interesting I noticed: In post 15, Beefster tried to link Netopalis to Robo.

I want to vote for Weird, because he went with beef on a lot of stuff (fos on Melon, voting Robo, etc.). I'm not sure what to think of the fact that Beef voted for him, though.

Ah, well. I don't have enough to make a case on someone yet, so I guess its back to information gathering for me. Goodnight, everyone.

[theguide730]

@someone who is not ignoring my posts. Can you make my case against Melon seeing as he refuses to talk to me directly. *childish*

I really don't like this. The fact that Melon supposedly won't listen to your points should have no effect on your ability to convince the rest of the town that he's scum. There should never be a reason that someone should have to make your own case for you.

Melon you were in no danger of being lynched earlier dont pretend you were.

Melon explicitly said that he was in no danger of being lynched. Take a look at my conversation with him where I said he was definite town. He admonished me for doing so, saying that since there was no danger of him being lynched, I shouldn't have even brought it up.

I do not think the fact Beefster attacked Melon early makes Melon safe. If Beefster truly think days should have been that quick then he is able to bus or distance people that soon as well. It is true that many newbs do think days should be that quick.

This is the main reason I brought up this post of yours, though the other sections were interesting once I looked at them a bit closer.

Quite frankly, I can't make heads or tails of it. Sure, Beefster might very well have wanted to end the day quick, but would he really have done so by voting for his scumpartner right off the bat? Especially when the pressure on him was pretty weaksauce (afaik, the only person voting him was me. Weird just did a FOS). I really can't see Beef bussing at that point.

I think I might be misinterpreting this section, so please feel free to correct me.

[theguide730]

Um... lets refrain from making statements like that, Melon. On their own, they do nothing to help us find scum.

I do appreciate the friendly gesture, though, considering the way I've been behaving recently. Scum or not, its really not fair to keep jerking you all around like this.

[theguide730]

First of all, my bad for calling you out on Melon and the danger of his lynch. I missed what you said in iso post 94.

I still don't really buy that logic about Beef's view on the quickness of the day. Sure, he might start bussing sooner than other people, but I don't think that he was stupid enough to do it when there was only one vote. You could even twist that logic to say he was scum; since he thought that the day was supposed to end quickly, he might have thought that bandwagoning Melon might actually work.

Of course, these are moot points, as you've already said that it wasn't your intent to say that he definitely bussed.

[theguide730]

I realize that. I just thought that the bussing part of your example seemed unlikely, and wanted to hear your reasoning for it. I actually think that the distancing part of it seems plausible, but I'm going to go with my interpretation of Melon's intent for now.

[theguide730]

This is a pretty interesting development. I knew that Badger would probably be the nightkill tonight, since he built a great case on me. With him dead, I'd be the definite lynch for the day. If that had happened, I'd have been ready to self-hammer, because I knew that if I survived to lylo scum would probably win (I had no clue how to defend myself from Badger's very valid points, and had no ideas as to who the scum were; I'd be dead weight on D4, and a near certain lynch).

Then, Melon came along with his cop claim, clearing myself and Neto. I'm inclined to think that he's telling the truth, so I'd be ready to lynch Boberz; I consider him more likely scum than Robo, as his spats with Melon practicaly consumed the thread at points. I'd like to hear him defend himself before my vote, however.

[theguide730]

Why would it be four to lynch? There's five of us left in the game, so three would be a majority.

If it turns out to be four, I'll be o.k. with lynching Boberz today, though.

Btw, Boberz, I didn't mean to say that I wanted to hear you defend yourself. I meant to type out something along the lines of "I want to hear what Boberz has to say about the current situation." Since the claim had put you under suspicion, and Robo had voted for you, I associated the situation with you being attacked. Sorry for being unclear.

[theguide730]

Lol, Melon, I'd be surprised if you DIDN'T think I was scum. I made so many mistakes in this game, its hard to count them on two hands. On the bright side, I think I've learned from them, so I've got nowhere to go but up from this point!

For the record, the reason I lurked a bit D2 was for the same reason as Weird; I didn't have anything to say. When I replaced back into the game, I was sure that I'd be able to build a case on someone if I went back through the thread. Everyone just seemed so towny, though (props to you, Boberz. I was totally convinced you were town for the majority of the game.). I had no clue what to do, and didn't want to attack someone on grounds that didn't exist.

At any rate, congrats to my fellow townies! Hope to play more games with y'all, and improve from them!