Newbie 933 ~ Town Win!

[Robocopter87]

1) How did you end up on Mafiascum?
2) Why do you play Mafia?
3) How would you describe your play style? Your personality?
4) Coke or pepsi?
5) How do you make decisions in general? In Mafia?
6) Would you say that you're nervous about this game?

RQS= smart and awesome.
1. My bro
2. To have fun.
3. I can't really sum it up but I'll just say I like the humor of it all.
4. Coke, duh
5. I make a decision when theres a valid case and a lot of info. Nuf' said.
6. Absolutely not. I've this would be my 5th game and when its done I should be able to IC. Speaking of IC I'm an SE in this game. If you have any questions and noone else is around I'll gladly answer.

I am always happy to answer any questions directed at me involving trying to find out I'm scum.

As of suspicions, I got none. Everyone has an equal chance to be scum and not everyone has said anything.

@EVERYONE
What is your policy on lurkers? Lynchem all?
I'll answer it once everyone else does.

And why not!?

Vote : A clockwork melon

Cause Melons can't be clocks! Silly Rabbit.

[Robocopter87]

Voting Neto because he is asking questions is bad. The purpose of questions is to know your adversaries more and to understand confused feelings. Also, we did not post our answers because some questions were reaction questions.
Like if I had asked,
Are you happy with what role you got?
And you answered, " Very Happy and can't wait to play"
There might be a possibilty that that person got a powerole. Now I'm not going to go into talking about roles because that is rolefishing and a scumtell in my book. Also, just because we are experienced does not mean that we can't get scum roles. we are as much able to get a scum role as everyone else.
I've seen in plenty of games that the scum have tried to kill the IC because they think the IC are the smartest. WRONG. Being an IC just means you've played 5 games. Those 5 games could have completly horrible. So what I see here is a newb scum trying to take out the IC early in the game.

Unvote;Vote: Me=Wierd

Also, do you find anyone else susp. atm, besides Neto? If so, why?

You are voting for Neto's attacker but this says that everyone finds him suspicious. And that you do to. I most likely misintrepreted that so I'm just going to,

Fos:Guide

[Robocopter87]

That's interesting, because to me that says scum trying to bring any suspicion off them by putting it on someone else with a feasible explanation for doing so, so I think that I'll Unvote and FoS: Robocopter87

I think I just found the scum, a few posts in.
This is an OMGUS reply.
First of all, I had no suspicion on me before I posted this. Unless you were secretly hiding some.
Second, I made a case on you and you responded by saying I was suspicious?
I don't understand, cases are a

Town

thing. Unless you think its too town to be town. If thats what you think you ought look up the "Too Townie fallacy" in the wiki.
Third, this:

@guide: I now find robo suspicious.

Buddying to Guide. Trying to convince Guide that you are team. I know this is a response to his question of asking "Who does everyone think is susp.". But this isn't right.
Or maybe Guide is already your partner.

Wait, wut? Didn't I say that I didn't find Neto suspicious, that I just wanted him to answer his own questions out of curiosity?

Also, in regards to that quote, I was just acknowledging that Weird found him suspicious.

I told you I'd most likely misintrepret your post. Alright, I understand what you meant. Thanks for clearing that up.

[Robocopter87]

SHUT UP!!
This is the Newbiest scumfest i've ever seen and thats saying something.
You three don't understand anything. Alright let me adress your stupidity.

Unvote, Vote:Theguide

Laughable suspicions? Are you serious? What Melon did was a regular newbie mistake. Voting no lynch is a common fallacy. I will shy away from the specifics but in the end it statistaclly does not work out. So voting no-lynch is defintly not a good choice.

Then Beefster joins in by agreeing with TheGuide who says he has solid evidence but in fact has nothing. Then Beefster and Guide decide that Melon is the optimal lynch. You two defintly don't have that power. You can't make a decision all by yourselfs.

We will not lynch anyone till Everyone has had a say.

The beginning of this post may seem to be AtE. But between Guide triple posts and Me's double posts and Beefsters posts that just agree with them and Melons inability to defend himself I sorta lost my head. So please people,
Slow down, say what you need to say in

One

post and please stop saying you have a valid case on Melon.
Which you don't.

And to the rest of you,
IWTGARFTA
If you know what this means then do not ruin it.

[Robocopter87]

EBWOP: That doesn't include Boberz in the scumfest.
It includes
Me=Wierd, The Guide to bad scumhunting, and beefster.

[Robocopter87]

The OMGUSing was about you.

[Robocopter87]

Not really a good way to make yourself sound logical. Why so emotional?

I know it wasn't good but I did say something right here,

The beginning of this post may seem to be AtE. But between Guide triple posts and Me's double posts and Beefsters posts that just agree with them and Melons inability to defend himself I sorta lost my head.

But yes it is AtE and I will not OMGUS vote Badger for this.

Me=Wierd, You wanted to know why you were included in the scumfest. Two words,
OMGUS and CONTRADICTION.
Examples!

3 Robo is a townie

I thought that you said,

@guide: I now find robo suspicious.

Heres your OMGUSing which happens to be in the same post as Contradiction example number two.

That's interesting, because to me that says scum trying to bring any suspicion off them by putting it on someone else with a feasible explanation for doing so, so I think that I'll Unvote and FoS: Robocopter87

With that being said, I would like to address your scumpartner.
Beefster!
Why? Because of Bandwagoneering, like this!

Hmm. I see the point being made.

Unvote. Vote: theguide730

Why am I talking like this? Beccause some people keep misintrepreting and not knowing things. Like This!

Where did I OMGUS? I'm guessing that you're talking about my attack on Melon. In that case, I started to attack him, and then he started to do the equivalent of FoS for my attacking him. From the way I read it, he was the one who OMGUS'd.

OMGUS is usually when someone makes a valid case on someone and that certain someone votes them for it.


I do not know who to vote for and do not feel like lynching anyone just yet. I have a gut feeling that none of thes newbs(This is different from the word noob, newb is not an insult) are our scum. I think two more experienced people are scum and are lurking while the newbs take all the fire. But we'll see.

[Robocopter87]

I do not know who to vote for and do not feel like lynching anyone just yet.

Sorry, I said this but yet I never unvoted. Sorry.

Unvote

[Robocopter87]

Hello, everybody! Welcome to the game. I'm Netopalis, your IC for this game. I'm taking a rather long car trip today, so I won't be able to post much right now, but I did want to start everybody off with a few questions:

1) How did you end up on Mafiascum?
2) Why do you play Mafia?
3) How would you describe your play style? Your personality?
4) Coke or pepsi?
5) How do you make decisions in general? In Mafia?
6) Would you say that you're nervous about this game?

I won't be random voting, as I hate random votes. I prefer to make a vote based on the answers to these questions. I'll be answering them myself once everybody else has answered.

1. I was looking at info on ecnet's MafiaBot, surprised at how many roles it supported. I followed some links in the wiki, then found out about the forums, thought about it for a bit, then joined.

2. Mafia is the best party/psycological game ever. I first played it at a school camp in 6th grade.

3. I dunno much about my playstyle. I used to have an awful poker face, but it's gotten better. I used to just smile all the time so people didn't know the difference.

4. Coke

5. Dunno. It depends.

6. Meh. Not really.

Little late...

Robocopter: If you're saying that 2 of the more experienced players are scum and are lurking, what would you say right now is the probable scumteam from the 3 experienced players other than yourself:
Netopalis
Electricbadger
Boberz

And why?

I have no suspicions against them just a gut feeling. But saying I did have suspicion even though they have done nothing scummy would be a contradiction to myself. I said to look up the "Too Townie Fallacy" in the wiki to people that thought I was to town to be true. And since I don't like contradicting myself(Scumtell in my mind) then I shouldn't be saying they are scum. K?
But I am taking into possibility and consideration that they have posted little, But with a lot of info and content unlike other people who post a lot and just contradict themselfs and OMGUS.
That was the consideration now the possibilities.
9 people.
2 scum.
1/3 of people are the experienced players you mentioned.
There is a pretty nice possibility that one of those people are just really good scumplayers and are decieving us. But, like I said, am not going off possibilities, only tells. That is what my gut feeling means.

I also said that scum likes to balance the game by taking down the experienced players.

Oh, and make that basically half by throwing me into the possibilties.

Cambells chicken noodle soup possibilities

[Robocopter87]

Bizarre response.

Do tell what you mean, what did I say that made you think it was

Bizarre?

[Robocopter87]

Robo: It's bizarre because I don't feel that it really follows the train of thought I was asking about. You said that you thought that 2 experienced players were scum. I asked why. You responded with some disconnected thoughts that didn't really form anything cohesive. I'm just trying to figure out what you mean.

I don't know what you meant of track I was just reminding everyne else that there was 2 semi-lurking experienced players that could be scum.
Im just saying that we might not be looking at are possible scum. We or a least I know I am focused on who to lynch out of
Me=Wierd
Guide
Beefster
and that maybe the experienced players should be our real suspects. I haven't seen many questions directed at Boberz and Badger.

[Robocopter87]

Let me reread the thread, taking things from a completely fresh perspective. I promise I'll get a new post in answering your question before the night is through.

Alright people, how many times have we heard something like this before?
Seriously, every game someone says" Oh, btw I'm here and am going to reread the thread".
Cmon people tell me you have.
That was just some jokes. Reread the thread Guide. Find a new perspective.

Speaking of new perspectives,
I know that I want more from the exp players but they have not done anything to draw my vote.
I will be perfectly happy with a Beefster lynch.

Vote: BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEFSTER!

Sorry had too.

[Robocopter87]

Mod: I don't know bout anyone else but we need a vote count. We are porr forgetful cildren. Please remind us what we have forgotten. Thanks.

[Robocopter87]

I would argue with you, Robocopter87, but...

... your avatar is a picture of Robocop riding a unicorn. My argument is invalid.

Thats right. You know it!
Don't mess with the robo.
Night all.

[Robocopter87]

Neto/Badger/Robo: You guys have been posting the least in the thread thus far,

Are you serious?
I think you meant Boberz, Badger, and Dieprediger.
Me and Neto have posted the most

Content

even if we have not posted the most. Its not about how many posts its about IIoA(Information Instead of Analysis). We can constantly state obvious facts or we can make arguements. And I think Me and Neto have posted the most content. Not buddying, just stating facts. I guess obvious facts aren't so obvious because of what you said here. But I'm leaning more town read on Guide now he has started making

Valid

cases.

I think we ought kill Beefster. He has posted no content made barely any defense, and to top it off he is bandwagonning. We could do without him. He is to unreliable.

Bear with me in this. I know I seem invincible, perfect and amazing, but I'm actually mortal, imperfect and amazing. Therefore, I can't post vote counts while asleep. Sorry for any inconveniences this might lead to.

I take the blame for that. I said that not Beefster. But that doesn't mean I don't want to lynch him.

[Robocopter87]

EBWOP:Tag Fail, my bad.

[Robocopter87]

Also, why no response to my last post?

Sorry missed it. I'm sure you were referring to this,

Thank you; I saw that part though, my question was WHY are you so emotional about it? I mean, I'm a bit annoyed by it too, but I'm not screaming at people to shut up.

I guess I'm more emotional in my posts than some people. That's not a good thing at points but it is my play style. I mean it is a

Game

and the point of a

Game

is to have fun.I think that the way they were acting really made me think that they were absolute pathetic buffoons who had obviously never played before. But of course I did not say that to there face because that wouldn't be very nice and it was a

Newbie

game so they were excused but I still had to say something. Thus the,
SHUT UP.

6) Would you say that you're nervous about this game? - I'm looking here for the way that the person answers the question rather than the answer itself - scum want to avoid appearing too nervous, but they don't want to look like they have all the answers either.

I knew what this was. I knew it was a scumtest. I later posted that,

Voting Neto because he is asking questions is bad. The purpose of questions is to know your adversaries more and to understand confused feelings. Also, we did not post our answers because some questions were reaction questions.
Like if I had asked,
Are you happy with what role you got?
And you answered, " Very Happy and can't wait to play"
There might be a possibilty that that person got a powerole. Now I'm not going to go into talking about roles because that is rolefishing and a scumtell in my book.

I was referring to the Nervous question but didn't want to make the people who hadn't answer make some fake answer.

[Robocopter87]

Also, Me=Weird seems to have gone lurking. Unless he is away or V/LA(Which I don't know if he is.).

So please speak up Me=Weird.
That's right, I'm drawing attention to you.
No correction, I'm

Painting

attention on you.

[Robocopter87]

Question for everyone: Who do you feel is the most likely to be town at this point?

I prefer to not think of anyone as Town. I like to keep everyone at an equal level of possible scum. But this game I have found myself automatically assuming Neto was Town. I don't knw why but his questions and the way he goes about scumhunting and actually

Scumhunting

made me lean town for hi.

[Robocopter87]

I'm not sure of much anything anymore, but I think that Robo is more than slightly suspicious, and enough so that I'll Unvote and Vote: Rococopter87

Stop contradicting yourself and Stop OMGUSing! It will do us all good. What is with you and not being able to scumhunt? Just pick a suspcion write why you feel that way with quotes and we'll all be perfectly happy. Here, let me show you some scumhunting.
Me=Wierd is probable scum.
Why? a bunch of contradiciton and OMGUS. Lets take a peek at some quotes. Wait! I already did this post! Remember this?

Me=Wierd, You wanted to know why you were included in the scumfest. Two words,
OMGUS and CONTRADICTION.
Examples!

3 Robo is a townie

I thought that you said,

@guide: I now find robo suspicious.

At the top of this post( outside the quotes) I just quoted Me=Wierd and that is

Contradiction Numero three, Alignment of Indecisive and contradiction

,

Heres your OMGUSing which happens to be in the same post as Contradiction example number two.

That's interesting, because to me that says scum trying to bring any suspicion off them by putting it on someone else with a feasible explanation for doing so, so I think that I'll Unvote and FoS: Robocopter87

Read the Bold inside the quote.
Also, it can be assumed that he made another OMGUS vote which happens to be the same thing

Contradiction Numero 3, Alignment of indesicion and contradiction.

.

For above reasons, plus the only way to know you'll be perfectly happy with a lynch so early D1 is if you're scum, when any lynch that isn't you or your scum partner is good. If you or anyone else can explain this, then I may unvote.

Misintrepretation, but I'll let it fly by.
It meant that I will be OK with lynching Beefster. I won't go ballistic or distance myself or anything. I will be OK if we decide, hey lets kill beefster. My vote stays.
You said you'd unvote if it was explainable. Or do you lie too?
Listen Me=Wierd, I think your tunneling a bit too far. Heres what I want you to do.
I want you to make a list of who you think is scum (I'll probably be on there for making this post) and who you think is town. It should include

Everyone

.
Then I want you to name who is your top suspect and state why, what they said, and what drew you to that conclusion.
Is that too hard? Its called scumhunting. You should try it.

[Robocopter87]

I want you to make a list of who you think is scum (I'll probably be on there for making this post) and who you think is town. It should include Everyone.
Then I want you to name who is your top suspect and state why, what they said, and what drew you to that conclusion.
Is that too hard? Its called scumhunting. You should try it.

Good thinking Guide
Heres who I want to see this from,
Me=Wierd
Beefster
Boberz*
Guide*
Diepred*

*means that you do not have to but It would help, or that you might already have a valid case and can just tell me that posts number and I'll check it out.
If you have no star, that means that you have to have a case. Failure to bring about that case will mean your scum.

[Robocopter87]

I dont want to tell scum all the players in order, from two people.

Wait wut?

[Robocopter87]

We only asked two people to do it. This isn't bait or a trap or a test. Its a question.
We just want it from Beefster and Me=Wierd, sheesh don't make it more complicated than it already is.

[Robocopter87]

I may take a sneak peek at robo tomorrow.

Oooooooooh Baby.
Jk, take your time, dude. Any questions and I'll be happy to answer.

[Robocopter87]

I'm not sure of much anything anymore, but I think that Robo is more than slightly suspicious, and enough so that I'll Unvote and Vote: Rococopter87

3 Robo is a townie

@guide: I now find robo suspicious.

@ Robo: About contradiction: I already said that when I posted saying that I think you're town, that was gut feeling. You are now at the top of my scum list, because of your large overreaction.

Probable Scum:
Robocopter87

want you to make a list of who you think is scum (I'll probably be on there for making this post) and who you think is town.

I dunno guys, I wouldn't trust me,

I'm a bit iffy

.

Also, what I said earlier about sundays being my busy days, that was a lie.

?????????????

[Robocopter87]

I'm not sure of much anything anymore, but I think that Robo is more than slightly suspicious, and enough so that I'll Unvote and Vote: Rococopter87

3 Robo is a townie

@guide: I now find robo suspicious.

@ Robo: About contradiction: I already said that when I posted saying that I think you're town, that was gut feeling. You are now at the top of my scum list, because of your large overreaction.

Probable Scum:
Robocopter87

want you to make a list of who you think is scum (I'll probably be on there for making this post) and who you think is town.

I dunno guys, I wouldn't trust me,

I'm a bit iffy

.

Also, what I said earlier about sundays being my busy days, that was a lie.

?????????????

Is this that youre trying to do?

I don't think he needs my help coming out as scum.
Thanks for your list it was very good. I guess the two people I wanted it from didn't understand the

Top suspect

stuff.

[Robocopter87]

In other news, my iso on Weird revealed this:

Also, what I said earlier about sundays being my busy days, that was a lie.

?????????????

The actual quote was:

If this does not satisfy you, please say so and why it doesn't. Also, what I said earlier about sundays being my busy days, that was a lie. Every day except fridays and saturdays are busy for me, so do not be surprised or think I'm lurking if I only post a few times a day most days.

I don't see anything contradictory about that statement, so I would very much like an explanation of why you chose to misrepresent it, Robo.

Sorry, my bad. It wasn't part of the contradiction. I was just all like, wut? You lied to us? Or something?

Also, your post on Me=wierd was interesting, it made me think about it antoher way but, Wouldn't that be the Too Townie Fallacy? But for scum?

[Robocopter87]

Badger? You seem to think I'm scum. I think your town. Your ability to scumhunt is good and you've done plenty of scumhunting.
But theres only one thing I don't get. Why aren't you voting for me? Why do you just act like I'm scum and not even vote me. I f you think I'm scum than by golly vote me.

Melon,
Really?

As I said before I'm somewhat suspicious of Guide and Robocopter. I'm not sure if I'll be able to convince people that Guide is scum (I'm not even super convinced myself), but it seems I don't have to convince anyone that Robo is. Seeing as he was on my suspicious list to begin with, I'll go ahead and cast my vote for him.

VOTE: Robocopter

If anyone thinks that things are going too fast, just let me know and I'll retract my vote for a bit so we can get more discussion in.

You vote me because of previsously placed suspicion. Alright thats fine. But can you post that previously posted suspicion. You say that you don't need to explain why I'm scum. Well why not? I don't mind being voted if you have a solid case on me like Badger has placed and even Badger is not voting me.
But thats not the part I dislike.
You ask the Town if they are OK with your vote. Only scum would not be confident that the Town would dislike a vote. Very scummy, but I'm not going to vote you. I am standing with my vote. Its either Me=wierd or Beefster is scum. And I'm going to take that Natural townie risk and say that Me=wierd is just plain Newb-Town. And Beefster is Newb-Scum.

[Robocopter87]

Then you point to Badger's "scum" for waiting on more information to vote, and you don't vote against him yourself? Scummy.

Whoa whoa whoa. I finally see the problem.
You don't understand whats scummy and whats town. Did you read up on the wiki and some games to check how the games run?
You just said that I ought vote my attacker. No, he made a valid case and I'm not going to OMGUS vote him for it. Thats why I think all your ways are flawed. Because you just told me to do something scummy. No, I'm not going to vote him, hes been more town than anybody else so far. Then Neto, th- here I'll just post A list!

Probable town:
Neto
Badger

Neutral:
Me=Wierd
Guide
Boberz
DiePred

sorta scummy
Melon

Probable Scum
Beefster

COMPLETLY OBV TOWN
Robo, duh


Notice how I put most people in Nuetral? Well, thats the don't give stuff to scum. I basically was saying, Neto Badger town. Beefster, Melon scum.

You're are probably wondering why I included Melon in the scum. Good question, I have not posted any case on him.

I mainly said he's scum because he has posted barely any content, piggybacked and he is getting excused absentmindlessy by everyone else.
Nuf' said.

So whats the problem with this post, huh guys? cuz theres always something wrong and people miss the most obv point and I get OMGUS'ed.

[Robocopter87]

Your not bad at contradictions yourself Me=Wierd and My OBV TOWN was a joke. You know, A JOKE. J-O-K-E. Because this is a GAME.
Also, Beefster, you seem to not read the thread or avoid questions such as,

Did you read up on the wiki and some games to check how the games run?

Is it not completly obvious now that these two are in coherts? I mean seriously, they have the

Same

opinion, which is flawed but they still stick with it, and are they not buddying? Have they not done exactly like I predicted? Have they not been very scummy? Is it just me or are people just not listening to me? These guys have been two of the most scummy players this whole game. And they just play the Newb card and get away with it. Why can't we just lynch one of them and see what happens? Why can't we stop pointing fingers at

Me

when I make a case on

Them

? What is the matter with just listening to me? does no one agree with me?
What is wrong with me that people don't listen.
There

is

scum in these two people.

:Speculation:
So if I flip town what are you guys going to do?
Will you finally listen to what I said?

[Robocopter87]

So this is this game so far,Guide and Me=Weird make a supposeddly great case and figure Melons the best lynch, bout a page 2.
Then Beefster bandwagons and Melon fails at defense.
Then I point this out.
They all immediatly jump on me like meat for a pack of starving wild dogs.They discredit what I say and say I'm scum.
I try to point this out and yet again, It is discredited and my opinions and sight are thrown to dirt. So everyone thinks I'm scum?

If it would change your minds, you can lynch me. And I bet anything that after they lynch me they'll say. "Well thats a suprise!" And go on with it.

Clockwork Melon, Thanks for your reasoning, but

I

think that they were contradictions. He can't stick with anything and its getting annyoing.

You're the one talking, Robo. You've avoided most of my questions/requests.

Well, the post that I quoted this from had many questions and I will answer them in a seperate post but I have RL to attend to today so I'll try to fit it in. But what are these so called

Questions and Requests

that you speak of? I don't remember you doing anything important in this game. I'd be

Happy

to lynch you.
Thats right

Happy

,
Saying that you're happy to lynch someone is very common. Day one is a complete shot in the dark. But you do get a bit of sound to focus your shot on. There is a pretty high chance we'll hit town. Am I going to Cry when this happens? No, because its very common.

So heres the Towns options
Listen to me, Lynch Me=Weird or Beefster(preferably Beefster)
Or don't listen to me nd listend to the Dynamic Duo and lynch me. Learn you're wrong and listen to what I had said.

You pick!(Meaning the Town, not Beefster and Me=weird cus most likely they will be the two people who make all the desicions for this town.)

Also, before you pick, think, "Whos made the cases? Robo or them?" "Whos

Really

been more scummy?" "Whos just piggybacking and whos making their own cases? Robo, or them?"
Keep that in mind.

[Robocopter87]

Robocopter -
I really don't get why everybody keeps attacking him. The attacks seem to be largely meaningless. I'd be willing to vote for him if there were a

good reason

, but, well, there's not. Can anybody help me understand why everybody suspects him? Null-to-town read.

I'm pretty sure I posted my reasons numerous times. But I'll summarize:
-Frequent fallacy. (esp. AtE-like)

Freqeunt Fallacy? You mean your misquotes and inability to actually read someones

whole

post?

-Often misquotes others.

Examples!

Hypocrite.

-Happiness to lynch.

Yes, I'm just dying for a lynch, cuz Im scum.[/sarcasm]

-Not living up to a standard about his decisions. "5. I make a decision when theres a valid case and a lot of info. Nuf' said." He has stood by his reasonless vote against me. (see post 17)

Ummm, Im pretty sure I posted reasons. Show me where I didn't.

-Very few references.

Uhh wut? I dunno even know what you're talking bout now and you probably don't either. EXAMPLES PLEASE!

-Responds to my attacks with rants and AtE, rather than reason.

Alright I agree with the AtE. The emotion was anger. Cuz you're hard to deal with. I did post reason, but you obviously don't read my posts.

Corrections in red. Fixed that.
But I said I'd answer his questions and I am. Here goes.

Is it not completly obvious now that these two are in coherts? I mean seriously, they have the

Same

opinion, which is flawed but they still stick with it, and are they not buddying?

Could you explain what makes it flawed?

What makes it flawed is that you and Guide and Me=Wierd stuck with voting Melon extremly hard when the reason you were voting for him wasn't a reason at all. Go back and look at you're reasons. Tell me what you find.

Have they not done exactly like I predicted? Have they not been very scummy? Is it just me or are people just not listening to me? These guys have been two of the most scummy players this whole game. And they just play the Newb card and get away with it. Why can't we just lynch one of them and see what happens?

You're very eager to lynch aren't you?

Moving on

Why can't we stop pointing fingers at

Me

when I make a case on

Them

? What is the matter with just listening to me? does no one agree with me?
What is wrong with me that people don't listen.
There

is

scum in these two people.

People don't listen because you're scummy yourself with avoiding questions and some requests. I've requested an outline of what precisely makes me scummy at least once, and you've avoided it. I want to see reasons.

Go back and look at my posts. I suggest an ISO on me.

All in all. I really dislike the fact that Beefster ignores the thread.
Beefster,
Do an ISO on me. You'll see reasons. And good ones, learn from your mistakes and stop being so stubborn and blind. Cuz if your town, then you are not doing a good job helping the town.
Can you do that for me? Its all I ask.

[Robocopter87]

I'm considering retracting my vote on Robo. Neto brought some things into a new light that got me thinking that maybe Robo isn't as scummy as I thought, (perhaps it was about nothing...)

Backpeddle much?

[Robocopter87]

Not much but I its alright. At least you tried, I still dislike the complete backpeddle.

My Meta is kinda messed up. I sorta tried different styles each game to be unpredictable and a better scumhunter. I don't know what you'll find. Newbie 913 I really wasn't in to it. Didn't like it.

[Robocopter87]

Possible bussing/bandwagoning (What makes bussing different?) Never actually posts any content.

Bussing is lynching your scum partner when the town has decided your partner is scum, the scum is distancing himself away from his partner by killing him. I don't think it applies here.
Bandwagonning is where someone just votes who everyone else is voting. Usually saying-Wait here I'll show You!!!

Hmm. I see the point being made.

Unvote. Vote: theguide730

Ya this was Bad Bad Bad.
One of the reasons my vote is on you. I have recently thought twice about my vote on you now that you're actually scumhunting but I think an ISO should take place. That should be my next post.

[Robocopter87]

ISO time.

Leeeeets get ready to Ruuuuuuummmbleeee!!!
ISO #0
Says that Melon is a reasonable lynch. First post! And he was just persecuting me for saying I was happy with a lynch. Then he says that the No Lynch is suspicious. Calling for a No Lynch is very common among Newbie Games. It seems that it would work out but really it doesn't.
Scum Tell

ISO#2(Skipping for purpose of the fact that there is basically fluff inbetween)
Votes Melon, with... no...reason... more commonly known as Bandwagonning.
Scum tell

ISO#3-5
Useless fluff
active lurking= Scumtell

ISO#6
My previous post prior to this ISO shows the bandwagon vote that goes here. But he said that Melon was a good lynch. ?
Scum tell

ISO#9
States his vote was a bandwagon. Uhh wut? Then his next reason was just that he looked scummy. See why I said their opinions and scumhunting were flawed?
Scumtell

ISO#10
Says hes not sure about Guide. unvotes.
scum tell.

ISO#13
Says that his guide vote

Wasn't a contradiction

. Which it was. Then says Robo is Iffy.
scum tell

ISO#15
Acutal Scumhunt. Says Neto is possible scum for questioning awkwardly then says I'm possible scum for explaining why it seems though Neto questions are akward.
I'll be nice and say it was good effort. And first post with content. Good for you.

ISO#17
Decides I'm da scum and votes me.
:roll:I'm getting tired of scum tells.

ISO#19
More scumhunting, says I am odd that I asked Badger why he wasn't voting for me and says that I almost want votes. This is a misintrepretation. I meant that Im OK with votes on me if they hold a reason.
Null but slightly town on this one for read.

ISO#22-24
Puts up an arguement. Which is good. But he is backing it up with extremly weak evidence. Saying that I explained something and that I am odd isn't really concrete evidence. He was going about argumenting correctly but he didn't have the stuff he needed to back it up.
Slightly town for purpose of him going throught it correctly, he actually believed he had me on evidence though.

ISO#27
It was pretty good, except for one thing. He misintrepreted a bunch of stuff that was actually in text.
Attacks me saying Im trying to fit in. When we all know I said trying to fit

it

in. Then he says that day one is not a shot in the dark. If he would have read the post correctly it would have worked. Then finishes it off by responding through my ne post where I asked "You Pick!" and it was lies. He said I was ranting. But look at him so far, does it really look like I was ranting about nothing?
Scum tell, for not even deciding to read the thread and saying he had valid points.

ISO#29
Just says a list of stuff that I supposedly did but really never did. But he did that stuff. I already responded to that post. Tad bit of rolefishing.
Scum tell

ISO #30
Suddenly decides to think about retracting his vote. This post is otherwise known as furious Die hard backpeddling. Its an Olympic sport you know. And he got the Gold. More rolefishing...
Scum tell

ISO#31 32 33
Actual logical scumhunting, the last four posts in the thread right now.
Town tell

I love ISO's for one reason. It brings out FACT rather than Opinion. He really did do all this stuff and it is checkable, referencable facts. This guy has just done way too much for me not to be voting him. I realize now that this would have been the most logical post to do when he was argueing with me.

Questions

will

be answered if you have them and opinions are encouraged.
Tell me what you think.

READ THE WHOLE THING PEOPLE! ESPECIALLY YOU BEEFSTER!

[Robocopter87]

Thats my case on Beefster. Nuf' said.

[Robocopter87]

The guide is

Not

a good lynch today. I'm telling you Beefster is.
What is your reasons for voting Guide?
Everyone who is on that wagon,
Why are you voting him? I thought he looks pretty townie.

Melon, you haven't had a change in prespective since that post?

[Robocopter87]

If I did say that Robo made contradictions, it was a typo, I meant to say that Robo makes a big deal of contradictions. Also, if I'm not mistaken, it Robo who said that he himself was a bit iffy. I gotta go now,

You are mistaken. Beefster originally called me iffy with no explanation. I thought it was funny and hypocritical so I keep repeating it. Cuz I'm a bit iffy.

Also, everyone keeps saying I'm contradicting myself. WHERE!?! I can't find it.
Where the heck is the so called contradicition!! Also, why would you post a reason on voting me if your vote is on Guide? And then say your reason for voting Guide was a piggyback. Looks like I'm not the only one whos a bit iffy.

I will ISO Guide next, I really don't see what people are talking about because I may have missed something. I don't know if I can do it right now but I might be able to do it today. I'll try to fit

IT

in.

[Robocopter87]

Robo calm down a bit.

He did misread and therefore misrepresent your post, we know you said fit it in now. Shouting that at us again does not mean it is any more scummy.

Sorry, forgot the [/joke] on the end. Forget those things a lot. Cuz I'm a bit iffy.

[Robocopter87]

Alright people,
The three scummiest players are voting for Guide.
Meaning: this will just be a bandwagon kill and one of those players are scum. I garantee it.

[Robocopter87]

Alright,
Guide, Can you claim?

I don't think I'm going to post the whole ISO but what I got out of it.

[Robocopter87]

Whoa Boberz, don't go to overboard with the AtE. I know that's probably hypocritical but still.

Also, I thought that most likely someone was going to hammer him. A lot of Newbie Scummy crap is going on in this game.

Yeah, he's done some scummy things, but I don't feel that they even approach the level of ridiculous exhibited by Me=Weird and, to a lesser extent, Beefster.

Why is Beefster to a lesser extent? I'm telling you right now that Beefster is the scummiest player so far. What makes Me=Weird scummier?

Neto,
The same quote above says that you think Me=Weird is the scummiest so far. But your vote is on a Melon. Wut?

[Robocopter87]

Appeal to Emotion. It means your just posting off of emotion rather than fact and argumentative.
It is considered a scum tell in my book and helps no one in any way except for the scum.

[Robocopter87]

I think he means,
You argument is invalid.
Like this,
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[Robocopter87]

Cmon people tell me you didn't like the pic. You all giggled at it, I know it.

[Robocopter87]

I was talking about your argument. He said if he could put more simpler and I put it really simple.

I didn't want you to use as a defense. I really wanted to learn how to put images into a post.

[Robocopter87]

Whoa, you're putting him on a deadline?
Kinda odd... but I do think that it would be good if Melon did some real scumhunting.

[Robocopter87]

I was talking about your argument. He said if he could put more simpler and I put it really simple.

I didn't want you to use as a defense. I really wanted to learn how to put images into a post.

You meant that

my

argument was invalid?

Well. I never.

LoL

[Robocopter87]

It just seems that you are refusing to do the deadline post thing.

[Robocopter87]

I am extremly disliking this argument.
Thinking Hypothetically,
If one of those two people was scum it would be Boberz. The way he was acting during that was unacceptable. But I think I'd be hypocrite to say not to do it and I'd be a liar to say I haven't done it.
Boberz,
You obviously think Melon is scum.
Just do what I did when no one saw what was going on and do a full ISO on him. Post By Post and show what is causing you to think he is scum.

[Robocopter87]

Sigh, Robo...every time I start to get a town read on you, ya go and pull some BS like this. Attempt to escalate an emotional confrontation noted. If you're going to egg them on, do so by by addressing their cases, not with insulting images or inciting responses. 406 made me nearly gag on the hypocrisy.

I'm a helper!

[Robocopter87]

Here I got a good vote count title!
Kittens!!!1 In a Ball pit!!!!!1

[Robocopter87]

BOO-FRIKKIN-YAAH!!!!!
Ya, thats right.

But still,
Let it be known that the Mod is not giving anything away and is not saying or prefering anyone and is just saying random stuff for the vote counts. So don't base any suspicions off of his vote count titles, that is all.

Yup.. ~DLA

[Robocopter87]

Just making sure, Because of this,

You blatantly quoted melon again because you thought he would be the only one to comment on the title.

I took this as though it was serious.

[Robocopter87]

I dislike those quotes and the way he is acting but I think you are buddying up to me.

[Robocopter87]

Alright, Lets address the situation.

Melon, Stop joking around and be more serious. Stop saying Boberz cannot be taken seriously because I am taking what he is saying extremely serious.

Boberz, Less AtE and more Information on why you think he is scum. Basically, I want you to ISO him, note that I already asked for one.

@At Everyone else,
POST MORE!!!!!
More like POST MOAR!!!!!!


Also,
I'm ISOing Melon. I wanted an ISO on him so I might as well do it myself.

[Robocopter87]

@At Everyone else,
POST MORE!!!!!
More like POST MOAR!!!!!!

ATM I'm waiting for Guide's return tomorrow (iirc); until then not much to say. No good to leave my case behind before she has any chance to respond to it.

Really didn't mean you. You've posted quite a bit and it has had plenty of content.
On the other hand,

Back. Exactly what good is posting if you have nothing to say? Because right now, I don't feel like I do have anything to say. Funny, the turtle made me think that guides a he.

You be lurkin, and you added a joke to make the post seem larger. Bad Bad Bad.

Also, not doing the ISO any more. Boberz already did it and there wouldn't be anything to add.

Standby for Guide.

[Robocopter87]

This game crashed and burned on the talking stats.
Standby for Guides

MEGA TRUCKATHON POST!!!!!

Sorry every mega needs a truckathon. And it wouldn't be Mega without big red letters.

Also,

Also, i think you and Neto could be the too mafia of this game.

Neto has been acting so townie that i think sometimes he is really acting.

Most of the time that would be the too Townie Fallacy but Neto is good at that. If you all have time I would like you to read this.
Newbie 910, Neto scum game

Notice how town Neto looks the whole time. I replaced into this game as a townie into LyLo and Neto looked so town and Mcgriddle looked so bad. They both voted each other and if I had been scum I coulda ended the game. But I ended up voting Mcgriddle. And I lost. Ever since I've been watching Neto in this game. I really couldn't just jump out and say, Neto looks too town and Meta shows he is good scum and then vote him. For he has done nothing scummy.

[Robocopter87]

For what it's worth, though, you should probably cross-reference that with N 920, in which I play very similarly, but flip doc.

Sorry, did not know about this game. Be a dear and post the link please? Or do I have to track it down and read it? Or just tell me how many pages it has.

What I meant was that posting when you don't have anything to say would be active lurking gaah!!!! Never mind. Also, it wasn't a joke, I was genuinely curious about guides gender, which we now know.

Awkward........(Bout the curiosty of gender)
But STILL!!!
More fluff
More active lurking!!!
Bad vibes dude.....Bad bad bad vibes~~~~~~~~

[Robocopter87]

Sorry Neto.

But that game in LyLo has made me so aware of your ability to play good scum.

Awesome WIFOM explanation video. Check it out.
This link is one Neto posted in his dead doc game and describes WIFOM so perfectly. Please watch.

[Robocopter87]

If you dont post, because nobody else is. And nobody else posts because nobody else is. Then nobody posts. Therefore scum win.

This is the most townie thing I've heard this whole game. I couldn't agree more.

Also,
I brought up Netos ability because I thought everyone should be aware of it besides me. The only thing I have on Neto is that he completly changed his playstyle during midgame. Also, its really not that wrong to bring up Meta in games. They can be used. They can be used to back up gut feelings such as the one I had. Therefore I brought up his meta because hes been mostly town this whole game.

Robo where do you stand on this???

My stance on the Neto thing is above.
My stance on who to lynch should be pretty obviously clear. Beefster.
My stance on Theguide post is getting annoyed but telling myself he

Will

post it eventually. I hope.

[Robocopter87]

Robo, I have no problem with meta. But your only bit of meta analysis was saying, this guy is good as scum. That tells us nothing of his alignment in this game. Good meta analysis ould be saying that he is playing similarly or differently form before. That said I dont find you scummy dont really want to pursue you.

I probably could say that his Meta makes this situation a town tell. In the scum game he was constantly talking but in this game he seems to have shut up for a bit.

But I was just sharing Info to the town. I don't think its good for the town for me to know something bout Neto and other people don't.

[Robocopter87]

I'd like to drop out of the game. Various rl stuff prevented me from posting in the time limits that I promised, and will probably continue to do so up till next Sunday. I don't think that I'll be able to be a productive member of the town, even if I do wait that long to rejoin the game, because y'all are probably suspicious of me for breaking my promise (which I do apologize for. I should have realized that I would need more time to respond, and given myself a later deadline). I think I've betrayed whatever trust you guys have had in me, and that you would be better off in this game with a fresh player. Plus, actually leaving the game should kill any suspicion of me for breaking my promise, so my counter-part wouldn't have to deal with this.

hmmmm

slight townie tell=Most scum don't replace but this tell is unreliable.
slight scum tell=

Asks

States suspicions is supposed to be dropped. Though I have none, all suspicions should

not

be dropped. But we will cut the replacement some slack.

[Robocopter87]

Also,
Both Boberz and ACM were on when I looked and I am glad that they both posted.

[Robocopter87]

So I read last few posts.
ACM said something
ME=wierd said something
Beefster claimed scum.
Wait wut?
Dude I was right? On day one?

too make sure my vote is on beefster.

unvote, vote Beefster

Think we can get him too claim his partner too?

Well, I'm going to hold off because I want to hear more first....

You just shot the reaction thing and totally gave it away.

[Robocopter87]

Think we can get him too claim his partner too?

It was a joke!

[Robocopter87]

This is awesome. I mean, if he hadn't said "You all know I'm scum" at the end, might he have talked his way out of this?

Dude, if he had not said anything then I would never have intrepreted it as a scum claim.

[Robocopter87]

Is it still day? There is no night deadline and it was technically a Mod kill. Are we free to talk?

[Robocopter87]

Night should go really fast, right?

I don't think there is night because he was modkilled.

On another note,
I nailed the scum! I did it. Thats right.

[Robocopter87]

Darn, I was gonna jump on Die Pred as my next suspicion because of his lack of posts but they had content but his vote on Beefster was a little too opurtunistic. I think I'm gonna stick with this,

Its either Me=wierd or Beefster is scum. And I'm going to take that Natural townie risk and say that Me=wierd is just plain Newb-Town. And Beefster is Newb-Scum.

I still can't believe I was the greatest attacker on the REAL scum

Day One

and I was right. This states that Me=wierd is probable Newb-town. And that Beefster is probable Newb-Scum, which he was. Now that my next suspect is down I'm going to read up and find someone worth attacking.

Also why the heck did it take like 5 hours to get a kill in, it was really fast, and the only person who said that it should be fast was ACM. Not placing a vote or nothing but one wonders...

[Robocopter87]

Well, when I was scum all by myself I asked the Mod for the whole 48 hrs I was given so I could speculate on how to go about the next day which was LyLo. I ended up being away for most a while and the other two townies figured that I was scum and lynched me without having me say anything. I lost. I had bussed the day before too distance-- but the moral is that just because there is one scum does not mean they don't use the full time.

[Robocopter87]

Ya but still, you're missing the point.
One scum Does not equal quick night.

Not voting you or placing suspicions but just a wondering about it.

[Robocopter87]

I'm going to ISO Beefster.

Day One is the time that scum interacts the most. I believe in it completly and will ISO beefster.

I thank Theguide for bringing up Beefster by way of saying what he posted. But still, what kinda stupid Mega truckathon post is that? I wanted reads on everyone. I decision on what we should do, whoi we should lynch. In other words, a valid case.

[Robocopter87]

The aprentice, duh
Have you ever even seen star trek? Gosh, pokemon couldn't be simpler. I mean if Yugi just found the All spark we could figure out whos scum.

[Robocopter87]

[Robocopter87]

Oh god what Has I done?

[BBBBBB]VOTE ROBO[/bbbbbb]

[Robocopter87]

[Robocopter87]

^^^To ACM not Neto

I ought stop fooling round.

[Robocopter87]

Being serious now,

I think that by having Beefster flip scum really proves the Too Townie Fallacy that works as the Too Scummy Fallacy. I had my doubts early on, I was very worried that he was too scummy to be scum and I was wrong. But I forged ahead. And he flipped scum. So I don't think that anyone should discredit any suspicions because the person or suspicion(s) was to suspicious to be scummy.

[Robocopter87]

Robo why did you say "darn" when somebody you were supicious of flipped town? Surely that means you have less chance of a mislynch and you should be happy

Yes but now I am left with no suspicion. Though Melon's post did show some stuff. I'll get to that at the end of the post.

You're on the right track, I think, but I also think you go a bit too far. You can't just clear people based on relationships like that. Also, it's very much a possibility that Beefster decided to attack Me=Weird after he started gaining suspicion for a number of different reasons, if they were scum together - he wanted Me=Weird to appear town if he flipped scum or he wanted to appear town if Me=Weird got lynched.

You have to remember that Beefster was the Newbiest scum I've ever seen. I doubt he planned anything due to his actions. He seemed to just post scummy stuff on purpose. But I think that this game the scum are the people who appear the scummiest. Beefster gave Guide away and I'm sorry thats the way it is but I think that Melon is right. His post was very good and I think Guide could very well be scum. But Neto is right too, in saying that you also need independent Info on Guide.

I agree Melon but you need independent scummy actions from Theguide, once you do I'll be on board to lynch him when you do.

But for now!

Fos Theguide

[Robocopter87]

Opinion on Melon,
Disliked the beginning of the game where him, Beefster, Theguide, and Me=weird but he has seemed to improve the whole game and I don't think he is the other scum.

My own point on Melon,
Part of the circus in the beginning but then seemed to backpeddle and got some heat but shoved it off by lurking. He seems to have just been coasting on other peoples suspicion. Where is the big post he promised? I don't see no reads or suspicions coming from him.


On another note, I think the Scum is a Newb. Seriously, why would the scum kill DieP? I would have killed someone lie Badger or Neto or Robo(me).

[Robocopter87]

Unvote: Vote: Me=weird

Listen, thats not right what you are saying about Neto. We

all

were speculating on why the night kill was the way it was and in Netos case why it was expected. I Expected Badger to die, DieP was going to get very suspicious Day 2. Or at least I was going to jump him. The only thing wrong with Neto's speculation was that he said it was to be expected.

[Robocopter87]

I guess I'm the biggest scumball of all,

not to discredit your honor of being Scummy but Beefster totally won that race and Me=Weird was the runner-up. I'm sorry to say you came in 3rd.

[Robocopter87]

It just seems almost like neto was saying that he planned it out, which you could only do if you're scum. But I did say that it might just be me, I'm not sure about it.

What are you sure about?

[Robocopter87]

You're completely wrong. It's in the scum's best interest to lie as much as possible. Otherwise, when we ask him, "Hey, Beefster, why'd you want to lynch so quickly?" he'd respond, "Because I want the night phase to come as quickly as possible."

He had no option other than to lie.

wow...thats right, and its very good thinking. This is right Boberz, Beefster was most likely lying the whole game whatever he said is most likely a lie. And since he was bad scum and was a Newb he is too unpredictable. We can't make a

firm

assumption. Whoever we lynch today should be lynched out of independent scumminess. And can be partially backed up with relation to Beefster though it isn't as firm.

[Robocopter87]

Vote:Boberz

He is the scum. I am a regular Vanilla townie.

I will offer the lynch of myself to show he is the scum. Which is Boberz unless ACM is lying which I think he isn't.

And who says there is a doc? Beefster was a goon not a roleblocker, you have no way to tell if there is a doc or not.

Do

Not

Kill ACM.

Kill me or Boberz.

I will offer myself for the towns purpose. I still win when I'm dead.

[Robocopter87]

Boberz

is

scum. Its game over. Kill me and prove it. We got you Boberz, ACM is the cop and if I am killed he

will

die and the next day it will be obvious. You did pretty well. I hope to play with all of you again.

Can we just lynch me or Boberz and end the game?

[Robocopter87]

I would have done the same thing Boberz. The IC's are smarter and better at being scum(Supposedly) and Neto is

extremly

good and his Meta shows it. Knowing that Neto was town would have lightened a big WIFOM-y unbackable suspicion. And it has. I believe he is the cop. His story checks out.

@BOBERZ, IF YOU THINK THAT HE IS FAKE CLAIMING WHY DON"T YOU GIVE YOURSELF UP AND LET US LYNCH YOU TO PROVE IT? WE STILL HAVE ONE DAY AFTER THIS BECAUSE WE LYNCHED SCUM DAY ONE. SO WHATS YOUR PROBLEM? YOU SCARED OR ARE YOU SCUM?

Sorry, had to make sure Boberz saw it.

[Robocopter87]

Ha, very good Boberz. I knew I had you once I realized you hadn't said you would give yourself up for the town. You were doing

extremly

well on being scum till Today(day 3) and a little bit of day(2).

Melon, good job on the cop claim. Also, the Breadcrumbing is really weak. Scum could do that to conjure a fake claim for a LyLo situation. I don't know what I would have done in Boberz situation, most likely fakecounterclaim and post the same results with Neto town day one and robo town day 2. Night, whatev. Very good game, I now am able to IC games. Very Good Game!!!! I'll check in on netos critics later.

[Robocopter87]

All I want to say is. I Nailed scum Day One

and

knew who was the scum day three but the day threee thing wasn't as cool as the Day One I nail scum.

[Robocopter87]

Ya, I was gone and had placed my vote on him as a pressure but you people killed him while I was gone.

[Robocopter87]

Robo: As a matter of personal curiosity, were you suspicious of me for any reasons other than our previous game?

I wasn't suspicious. But the LyLo scum win when you were

so

town made me so paranoid.

[Robocopter87]

Good show everyone!

Very fun and interesting game.

Hope to play with you all again sometime.

I'm going to stop watching this topic for replies so if you need anything just pm me.