Newbie 925: A Dark Night In Sudotopia, Town Wins!

[easjo682]

/confirm

Hey I'm a SE around here which means I've played a couple games here and can give you so advice or point which way is up. There's another SE and a IC around here as well. The IC has even more experience and may be able to help even more.

HI!

[easjo682]

Actually, there's a shortage of newbies at the moment, which means that kingcod is the only pure newbie in the game. icemanE is an IC, and everyone else is an SE

I didn't think this site would have a shortage of newbies

[easjo682]

Hello again, easjo.

Yes, yet again we meet...
so...waiting

[easjo682]

woot rvs

vote: LordChrnos

obv. scum coming into my game yet again

[easjo682]

that just goes to show LC's scumminess if he was indeed town he'd know that I've been having issues with my o key.
LC was scum in the last game we were both in again showing his scumminess.

[easjo682]

this is my first mafia website. There are others?

yup, and other 'regular' forum sites have games of mafia or werewlf running in a games section, penny arcade is one example.

[easjo682]

1+1+6=345

damn I made the next mistake

[easjo682]

I know, but I'm still allowed to make jokes and generally enjoy the game, I'm still planning on scum hunting too.

[easjo682]

woot bandwagons

vote: omeed

[easjo682]

junior year of high school is quite time-consuming

lol, just wait until you're doing 9 papers at university, when everyone else is doing 5 or 6.

[easjo682]

Argg! what the fuck

unvote,

unvote,

unvote!

dunno, It could still be newbieness...

[easjo682]

But, in all honesty, I'm voting on you out of pure spite. How DARE you accuse me of being scum?

so are you reeally voting for kingcod for OMGUS reasons? cause thats not cool man.

[easjo682]

Kingcod-At the moment, my highest suspicion lies with kingcod, but I'm concerned because I may just be getting carried away with all the suspicion lying on him, but this is his first game on the forums so I'm willing to put down his putting omeed to newbieness, but if more pops up on kingcod then I'll look at him with more suspicion.

Omeed-reacted appropriately to being at L-1, not too concered with him.

LordChronos-I've played a couple game with LC, his play style from the little I've seen of it, is consistant(have played one where both of us are town and one where both of us are scum, are in more games with him at the mo), so thoughts should be considered. Plays as mafia team effectivly

jmj-don't really have much to go off, is he active lurking?

Jahudo-replaced into this game and has been doing scum hunting since replacing in, comes off as pretty townie to me.

servis-hasn't been here long enough for me to pass judgement, once hes been her another day I'll have more of an opinion

razor- comes off as though his actions are merely to get reaction which can be a good game tactic, but I'm sensing something more here, second scummiest to me

cheshirecat-Hasn't done much posting, would like to here more from Chesire, but am not currently viewing it as a scum-lurk

[easjo682]

Kingcod-At the moment, my highest suspicion lies with kingcod, but I'm concerned because I may just be getting carried away with all the suspicion lying on him, but this is his first game on the forums so I'm willing to put down his putting omeed to newbieness, but if more pops up on kingcod then I'll look at him with more suspicion.

Omeed-reacted appropriately to being at L-1, not too concered with him.

LordChronos-I've played a couple game with LC, his play style from the little I've seen of it, is consistant(have played one where both of us are town and one where both of us are scum, are in more games with him at the mo), so thoughts should be considered. Plays as mafia team effectivly

jmj-don't really have much to go off, is he active lurking?

Jahudo-replaced into this game and has been doing scum hunting since replacing in, comes off as pretty townie to me.

servis-hasn't been here long enough for me to pass judgement, once hes been her another day I'll have more of an opinion

razor- comes off as though his actions are merely to get reaction which can be a good game tactic, but I'm sensing something more here, second scummiest to me

cheshirecat-Hasn't done much posting, would like to here more from Chesire, but am not currently viewing it as a scum-lurk

[easjo682]

@Omeed You're reasoning makes very little sense to me, you suspicious of those who've been scum hunting?

Also, why are you voting if you're just voting for 'the most expendable player' that seems fishy to me, why not try and scum hunt and remove your vote for the time being? he hasn't been detrimental to the town yet, he asked a question that nobody likes.

I don't think I understand why me and LC are under suspicion?

[easjo682]

wasn't that back on page on or two when it was still RVS? before we settled into the game?

[easjo682]

eww, I don't want to be either of those two, besides I'm a girl, you need a photo with a chick in it

V/LA until Thursday

[easjo682]

Question to all - we have had a few posts about scumteams. If you had to pick one right now who might it be? I suggest razorback and OmeedESF, but I'd need a bit more evidence to take it further.

I don't think of who could possibly be a team until later on in a game if the scum haven't been eliminated, until that point I look at each persons individual style, it usually more effective. I do however have people who I find more suspicious and some I find aren't suspicious.

[easjo682]

/oh my. its all turning to ratshit. I won't post until we get a replacement for razorback

Why weren't you going to post until razorback got a replacement? it achieves nothing, sometimes getting a replacement can take awhile meanwhile the game is still running, you are better off still posting still scum hunting if you are town. but a replacement can be useful once they're here because they may have a completely new perspective on the game and may pick up scummy actions differently

kingcod

[easjo682]

arg fuck sorry

Vote: Kingcod

thats what it should look like

[easjo682]

Ok, the last time jmj posted in this thread was last Wednesday, to tell us that he would post some more later. Since then, he has posted numerous times in other threads.

What is going on, jmj?

Vote:jmj3000

remember to be care voting for people because they're not posting, it can get townies lynched, I've seen it happen. His inactivity is annoying but I've seen moments like this bugger a town.

[easjo682]

Both cod and Omeed have made OMGUSy statements against each other, though, so the tell kind of cancels out for me now.

I don't mind Omeed saying he'll withhold his vote. I can see the reasoning behind it, and also why Omeed wouldn't specifically say if something in cod's post would change his decision to vote. I also don't mind Omeed's focus right now. Having only 1 suspect is fine if that's where your confidence is.

In my defense, I'd like to point out that my OMGUS was during the RVS.

As tempting as it is, I don't want to put KingCod at L-1 yet. Since I'm a newbie, would someone be so kind as to inform me of the procedures regarding L-1 votes?

There is not really any procedure, its more what happens once he is at L-1 not the vote putting him there.\
But once a person has been put at L-1 it is typical for other people to either remove their votes if they're worried they have it wrong and don't want a quick lynch
or its normal to ask for a role claim, you generally give the L-1 person a day or so to respond and make a case or claim then sometimes the hammer will be discussed

[easjo682]

@All
Note that jmj just popped in as soon as I brought it to attention that he was active lurking and posted some fairly nondescript stuff only to vanish again. He says he thinks kingcod has had scummy behavior all game but provides not a single example.

@easjo
You say to be careful voting people who aren't posting because they might be town. Yet a week ago you said you thought jmj might be active lurking. Do you think jmj is more likely to be town than scum right now?

I think that either one of kingcod or omeed are scum and the other is town so whichever one flips scum I'll believe the other to be town, whichever one flips town I'll believe the other to be scum, so this will have an effect on my voting.
As for jmj I can't be certain at the moment he's done a couple posts seeing as people are talking about him which puts him up in scumminess, I'll be keeping an eye on him and depending on how the lynching goes he may be next on my list.

[easjo682]

I will now take questions.

any question? can I ask what you had for dinner on friday night?

While I do still have my suspicions of you

(LC)

and easjo

why do people alway see us as a team?

[easjo682]

As for the LC-easjo connection:

easjo,

Let's wagon someone.

Vote: OmeedESF

woot bandwagons
vote: omeed

@LC and easjo: Was this to get reactions? Or just for fun?

for both, fun and to provoke people into reactions get the game rolling

Now a word on just easjo:

I think that either one of kingcod or omeed are scum and the other is town so whichever one flips scum I'll believe the other to be town, whichever one flips town I'll believe the other to be scum, so this will have an effect on my voting.

Why can't they both be town? I don't really like that you aren't taking a side here. Sure both of these players have valid wagons on them and could be scum, but if you see one flip town how is that going to make the other one look scummier?

mainly because they're my to two suspects but I don't see them as a team so its my feeling that if one is scum then the other is town.

[easjo682]

I think hes saying that one or both of us are scum because we haven't been night killed. the reason he thinks we should be night killed is because we are showing some level of intelligence.
or that was at least my understanding of his argument, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong in my assumptions.

[easjo682]

Intelligent players are good for town the more the better. Yes smart mafia can get townies lynched but it is alot less likely when there are smart townies too.

[easjo682]

do we want Omeed tomorrow in lylo? Not sure what the best move for town is here.

speculation ahead of the day is bad, talk about it if it gets there.

[easjo682]

for one I've seen speculators get night killed because they got it too close to the truth, two theres always if we aren't in lylo tomorrow

[easjo682]

Alright, after going back and rereading the posts, I realize I made a mistake. I, for some strange reason unfathomable to even me, read in his posts, not exact words, but a general sense of defending kingcod. After rereading, I realize this is wrong. They could be scumbuddies still that are arguing against one another so if one is lynched, the other can go "Hey, I was voting for him, so I an't be his scumbuddy." I am not 100% confident in that though, so I am going to

unvote

due to my original vote being based on flawed logic that I have no idea how I came to it.

how could you have got the sense that he was defending kingcod where if you look at any of the vote tables they are both voting for each other and both wagons were at L-1 if they were scum then why the hell would they've left there votes on each other when anyone could've come along and hammered?
You seem to have alot of flawed logic and reasoning this could easily be because you are scum and you were looking to lay down a vote without being the actual hammer therefore avoiding getting shit for hammering.

unvote

Also It seems to me that jmj is looking more scummy than kingcod now so..

Vote: jmj

[easjo682]

Does anyone else not like how jmj keeps coming in and posting things without responding to the questions asked of him or points made against him? Almost like he knows that they are correct?

why do you think I'm voting for him.

[easjo682]

So, as I understand it, you were suspicious of me because I had flawed logic, and now your suspicious of me because I apologized and withdrew the vote that was based on that flawed logic?

Yes we were suspicious of you for your flawed logic, then you made a post explaining you mis-read the post, the problem is for me at least I'm not sure if you truly did mis-read the post or if you are claiming that you did because you got called up on it.

[easjo682]

Leaning scum. Seems opportunistic and eager to please town.

I don't have much to add to it though, unless you want me to address something more specific. Too many people leaning scum who I can't really consider as a team so that worries me.

Right now, I would prefer a kingcod lynch,

but I might switch as well. I have to read a bit more.

you seem very fence-sitting in this post particularly the bolded parts, am I just reading your post wrong or are you actually unsure on the votes at this stage?

[easjo682]

So with a three way split on the vote its getting interesting. I think its reasonably certain one of the 3 votes is mafia. There is also a possibility that two are mafia.

This is WIFOM while two people under suspicion do both have their votes on you it does not equal mafia

[easjo682]

The kingcod wagan hasn't been going anywhere for several real time days.

[easjo682]

@jahudo
of course my top suspect is jmj that's why my vote is on him.
Right now my second suspect is omeed
and I feel kingcod is no longer scummy.

As I've stated many times, the reason for my pointing out that KingCod might be a power role was to provides PROs and CONs for lynching him.

Thats still rolefishing which always seems dodgy, and rolefishing is one of the reasons you were or are voting for kingcod so this in itself is hypocritical.

[easjo682]

but I will restate my view that it is a '

reasonably certain' that 1 of 3 being voted on is mafia

because:

I am town, leaving a total of 6 other players

, 33% with a vote on them.

I am getting strong town reads from 3 of those 6,

leaving 3 players two of which should be scum .. hence my 'reasonable certainty'.
I know I know! Its mixing some doubtful statisitics with a number of guesses but its the way I'm working this all out. Help me out if this is still complete baloney!

bolding bit in this comment done by myself

The third bolded part here you have no statistical basis, you are guessing and as the point of this post is showing the statistical reasoning behind your thought process (in relation to mafia voting and being voted for) This makes the statement a load of bull

the second bolded part whrn doing statistic like this it is better to include yourself in the numbers seeing as you are part of the group that makes us seven

the first bolded part of course you can be resonably certain seeing as nearly half the people here are being voted on.

[easjo682]

@kingcod, yeah the town should help and share information with each other during scum hunting, the reason I started arguing with your statistical post is because I get really antsy with maths, I like to see it carried out smoothly.

to you points:
1. you do know what you are but it can still effect the outcome of your statistics by including (or not including) yourself I'd have done it set out both ways partly so that people could just see the maths working behind it.

2. True I said that you post was a load of bull because you were trying to use bad maths to back it up, I don't like bad maths.

[easjo682]

While kingcod is playing better, to have such a 180 degree turnaround in between two days is highly suspicious in my eyes. As for my case against him, that will be coming in my next post.

You find it suspicious that in a NEWBIE game that someones play style can change and improve? I'd say that is the game type people are most likely going to improve.

can you confirm whether you think JMJ is a significantly better lynch than Omeed?

If I thought jmj wasn't worth voting for I'd unvote.
If I thought someone else was scummier I'd switch my vote.

[easjo682]

It probably best if you restate quotes and facts rather than giving us links, if you give us links we're less likely to listen.

[easjo682]

There is also the possibility with kingcod saw he was quickly put under suspicion on day one and he realized he had to step up his game play and change it. I think the chance is too great that he's a townie, that realized his play style wasn't working and so changed it. Seeing as that is a big part of your argument I'm dismissing it.
At this stage I'd like to see where everyone else stands on lynching issue because we are close to the deadline and because there are three in line for lynching. The main question I want to ask is..
Do we want to hammer someone so that there is a lynch?
If so which candidate? (and second choice)
Is no lynch a popular choice?
Is there anyone unhappy to switch vote just so we get a lynch?

my own answers are
I think a lynch is preferable to a no lynch so I'd like it if someone was lynched tonight
The lynch I'd most like to see happen is jmj the second lynching I'd support if it came down to the wire is omeed
I'm not in favour of a no lynch
I'd prefer to see jmj lynched and would like not to switch my vote to omeed just to get a lynch but if its between that and a no lynch I'd choose to switch.

[easjo682]

first off: sorry, recently life has jumped up and hit me hard and unexpectedly, hence why I've gone down in posting, its not just in this thread but all threads, I will however stay active and post when I can, sorry I know this effects you guys too.

and for the omeed stuff that has come up, yes he is more suspect now but I still find jmj a better lynch, I can switch my vote if it comes to it and if I'm online

[easjo682]

can you tell us what happened in the night phase?

[easjo682]

never mind I just saw we are all still alive! never seen that happen before

okay seeing as we are in lylo i feel nows the time to stake my claim
I am the town COP, on night on the first night I investigated LC and got an town result, on night two I investigated jmj and got a mafia verdict.

VOTE: JMJ

[easjo682]

Easjo, did you leave any breadcrumbs for your role?

No, would you've?

[easjo682]

@easjo: why did you investigate LC on night 1? did omeed's flip change your opinion of jmj going into last night?

Since I've been in a few games with LC now I know he's a good player and could easily be on either side without being caught out, I wanted to make sure he was on town side otherwise he'd have been a risk to the town.
Omeed's flip didn't have too much of an effect on who I was going to investigate, it was either jmj or if he got lynched I would have investigated Omeed.

[easjo682]

If I am scum then why haven't you auto voted for me jmj?

also as jahudo pointed out my high post game I was scum, also my posting has a direct correlation to my accessibility.

[easjo682]

I think that either one of kingcod or omeed are scum and the other is town so whichever one flips scum I'll believe the other to be town, whichever one flips town I'll believe the other to be scum, so this will have an effect on my voting.

What happened to this? Omeed is town, so why didn't you investigate kingcod?

Because I came round to thinking that form of logic was flawed so didn't want to potentially waste an investigation.

[easjo682]

LC, got a major question for you: How do you know easjo will be blocked if we no lynch?

There is almost definitely a doctor seeing as no one died last night and seeing as theres a cop then that means the set up includes a mafia roleblocker

[easjo682]

Notice how she hasn't said anything since she asked me why I wasn't voting her yet

first off the internet cut out sometime ago and has only just come back online, I've been not posting in all my current games because of this. I can't always access the internet

Why did you investigate LC the first day? What would the purpose of that be?

because having played in a couple games with LC I know he can play good scum so I wanted to make sure he wasn't scum.

WIFOM territory here we go. Why? Maybe scum wants us to think that we can afford a mislynch because we have a doctor. Maybe scum didn't want to kill anyone because they didn't want to kill anyone who looked scummy or might help them with their lynch. Maybe they deadline. etc. etc. etc

like you said yourself, WIFOM, lets not get into this issue it's going to get us nowhere.

He confirmed my theory. Easjo claimed cop as scum to try and draw out the real cop, if there was one. Now we are playing with either 7 vanilla townies, mafia goon, mafia roleblocker, or 2 goons, doc, and 6 vanilla townies. I am leaning more towards 7 vanilla townies, and here is why I think that. I think that easjo and her scum partner decided they would no kill to make us think we have a doctor. They also decide that easjo will claim cop, choose two random townies, and say one is scum and one is innocent, or claim her partner is innocent and that some random townie is scum. Day 2 starts, she claims cop, says LC is innocent, and I am scum. She votes me, then kingcod follows, both hoping for a quicklynch. Thats why I am not so sure LC is scum. We all go through, and everyone else claims not cop, which "confirms" (and I use that term very loosely) easjo as cop and me as scum, and also helps scum know which set-up we have they know what their partner is.

WIFOM, major WIFOM.

Also, LC, weren't those two games not only your first two games ever one the site, but her first two as well? Not counting the ones that are ongoing, she has played in 3 other games that I can find that are finished. Thats three games where she could have worked on her fakeclaiming.

They are also games where I could've worked on my scum hunting, and using PR and a million other bits and bobs

Think about who easjo is claiming is scum. She is claiming me, a confessed active lurker. Now that I am thinking about it, it's looking less and less random and more and more calculated. She claims to have a guilty investigation on me, the easy target due to my active lurking and due to what I said in post 340

yes I have a guilty verdict on you, and the evidence matches up, I did calculate my investigation because I thought you seemed extremely scummy and I wanted to try to confirm a scummy person.

[easjo682]

When you posted this, Omeed was back to L-2 from L-1. Two of the four people not on his wagon also posted and didn't show any signs of putting omeed back to L-1.
It looks like you were responding to the reaction of kingcod putting him to L-1, but not really noticing the events that happened afterwards to lower the threat of a quick-lynch.
What was your thought process when making this post? Was it necessary to show your outrage and uncertainty?

It pays to be more certain, I didn't like how it had escalated while I was away so I chose to unvote and try to make a point of it.

As to why I haven't pulled up things easjo has said that are scummy, it's because there isn't. As a matter of fact, she has been way to townie. She hasn't made any mistakes at all, has said what a townie would say, and has avoided suspicion all game. She is playing a too perfect townie, and that in and of itself is suspicious. Now, to answer your question about her having three games to work on fakeclaiming: you don't have to fakeclaim to work on your fakeclaim. If you are confident enough in yourself, you can do a good fakeclaim. She is confident that her too townie play all game will help her claim, so she is calm and collected. And in case you forgot LC, when she fakeclaimed doctor in newbie 907, it worked and y'all won.

and obody else has been playing a good game? what about earlier when people were saying that jahudo and LC were playing really good town? you don't think that they've played too perfectly?
no one can play too townie, everyone makes slips this is because opinions change and evolve, ideas change, questions are posed all of which a person can state something different to what he did earlier.
townies can play well, if they dont, they get lynched then they lose
Also Jahudo has managed to find things from earlier in the game to ask me about, I'm sure you can too.
as for newbie 907, it shouldn't have worked if you've read the last two or three pages, the person who was fooled by it didnt think, everyone here is thinking which is why there hasn't been a quick lynch.

I haven't convincedyou easjo is scum yet because nota damn thing I say is going to convince you. Everything I say is going to look like scum trying to save their own hide, so you are just going to discount everything I say.everyonemakestiny mistakes, but easjo hasn't made a single one this whole game.

if you want to convince others I'm scum then look harder for quotes to convince them, you're obviously scum who has given up which is why you are reverting to the "i cant find anything, but she is scum" arguement.

Truth be told, the fact that she has kind of vanished and is letting me do her arguing for her is somewhat offsetting of your fallacious defense.

Sorry LC I have things like work and sleep.

[easjo682]

I'm still here sorry guys.

[easjo682]

I don't think it is time to put jmj at L-1 just yet, with greenindirt MIA.

in this situation (MyLo) I think its a good idea that we wait for greenindirt to return or for him to be replaced, though at this stage of the game its rather annoying to see a player disappear.
Could we start to look at scum pairings?

[easjo682]

I was more thinking who the most likely person to be your partner is, I'm still happy to lynch you today and look for your partner tomorrow seeing how I know you are scum.

[easjo682]

V/LA this weekend, I'll be at a convention but should be able to pop in every now and again

[easjo682]

people 'drag' lynches out when they are still mulling things over, players are perfectly entitled to do this, I have seen games where hasty decisions have destroyed town, where thinking usually helps them.

[easjo682]

yeah, I don't expect there's much I can do to save myself now, I'm not even going to bother trying.

[easjo682]

Making a post, I'm still here but my computer is fucked so not sure how often I'll post, but I'm going to be dead anyway and I'm not going to post any material hinting to who my buddy is, so yeah I'm just posting to show I still exist in the electronic world.

[easjo682]

Well done town, I thought the final day would end pretty quickly but alas no, kept waiting and waiting to see what would happen.

King did well

here's a link to our mafia talk if you want to see the failed inner workings of the mafia mindstorm that was us.
http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/Ppt2qNTDnGq2