Newbie 907 - The Road Back to Magic World, Game Over

[easjo682]

Hey! LC, we played in the last game together, HI.

Part of the reason I am so upset is because on Day 1 of my last game, a pair of townies who didn't pay enough attention to the number of votes on a person ended up quicklynching them. Personally, I would far rather wait to lynch someone so as to gain more time to get information than to quicklynch them.

yeah, that wasn't much fun, the game could've gone differently other wise.


RVS is on

Vote: AGAR

for not posting yet

[easjo682]

unvote

/vote: Regfan

because he seems to know more than he is letting on to...

[easjo682]

I like my avatar too, its a contact juggling ball, I'm learning how to contact juggle which is basically ball manipulation.

[easjo682]

/vote: Regfan

because he seems to know more than he is letting on to...

Why do you think so?

Also, it's good that you and LordChronos have played together before. Was he town? Is his playstyle here similar to that game?

well although his first post looks like its making assumptions it also has an air of 'I know this to be true'


As for LC in the last as well as this he was under a bit of suspicion but lived to the end and flipped town, his style? I don't really know, I'd don't think one game is enough to make a judgement on play style.



as for these early bandwagons, I don't like them, I'd be more comfortable with fingers of suspicion (FOS) cause an early bandwagon ended up lynching a townie in my first game, it really wasn't cool. and there ended up being a mafia man on this bandwagon.

[easjo682]

as for these early bandwagons, I don't like them, I'd be more comfortable with fingers of suspicion (FOS) cause an early bandwagon ended up lynching a townie in my first game, it really wasn't cool. and there ended up being a mafia man on this bandwagon.

Kindly explain why you have voted instead of just FOS's then?

because it does currently equal a bandwagon, if circumstances arose where another vote or two were placed on the same person I would take back my vote unless I was certain without a doubt that the person was scum.

[easjo682]

Is that something that will be true on future days as well, or just today?

it will go for later days as well, because, I really don't want a bandwagon to get someone lynched when it may not of been properly thought out, I don't want to see someone we later regret lynching.

well right now I'm going to bed, it 5:30 in the morning here, and I really should make pretences of sleeping.

[easjo682]

Unvote

too many votes too early

[easjo682]

I understand the concept behind this, but I'm unsure of why you don't just 'FoS' someone instead of voting them. You voting them allows for the possibility of a rush lynch even if that is not your aim and although you may say that you would 'unvote' you may not do so in time.

Because merely FOS'ing isn't as effective as putting a vote on someone, if you FOS someone they aren't going to be nearly as concerned as if you cast a real vote on them and in a game of mafia you want reaction as it is the best judge to figure out who is scum, besides which if we all went around FOS'ing then we would get anywhere and that would end with a no lynch which fucks over the town. IMO anyway.

[easjo682]

I too are in a different time zone (GMT +12 plus another hour for daylight savings)

Is superbowl that American football thing. Is it the final or something?

[easjo682]

I disagree, I can see how Kishime is viewing things, because of the way that Regfan
seems to be dead certain of his 'gut feelings' it come across as scummy, as though he
is a little too knowing. Saying that, I can also see how Kishime is overreacting,
though people don't usually overreact to a town call if they're scummy...

[easjo682]

4) Easjo682, you're fairly neutral on everything thus far, and seem reserved, what do you make of Papa FoS'sing Lord and not saying why?

A question for each of us aye?

I don't really have a problem with it, I can understand being in a position where you have an opinion or instinct of whats going, but you don't know how to word it or releasing the information at that time can be detrimental to your own health or the town in general. but usually it a sign of scummy delaying tactics

There are some people here who have been pretty light on the posting, I'd be keen to here more from Lightwolfj, SinSpawn3000 and Agar.

and at everyone, who would be you primary scum suspect, and who is the townie-ist in your eyes?

[easjo682]

I already said LordChronos.
His posting has none of the tells of being mafia.

I would have to say easyjo as a second.
I have not seen any mafia like activity from him yet.

first if you look at my name it is easjo, no 'y' in it at all.
second if you look under my avatar you will see i'm a girl

third, I'm under suspicion because I haven't been acting suspiciously?

[easjo682]

aahh, you're right, man I'm a fuckwit

[easjo682]

I think I should've checked here between sleep and work.

well on my list of possible scum right now there's
Papa Zito
Agar


I think that this whole fight between Kishime and LC is two townie loosing focus. This happened in my last game between me and another townie, and it fucked over the town.

@

agar- POST SOMETHING

VOTE: Papa Zito

[easjo682]

Well, after reading back thruogh the posts I have developed the opinion that you are scummy, is there a problem with that?

[easjo682]

To me Kishime and LC come off as two townies hunting for scum resulting in zoning in of each other. Papa Zito comes off as trying to make a target out of others.

[easjo682]

You're right, I am fence sitting, because right now I'm not 100% sure on who the scum
are so I'm hoping around trying to give my opinion of the time and situation.

[easjo682]

Well, I'll try to sit on less fences.

[easjo682]

Who has "lashed out" more, Sin or myself?

sin more, but you are both equally responsible for it. why? does it really matter who lynched out more at who?

LordChronos is town, btw.
unvote: LordChronos

wtf how the hell do you know who is town and who isn't, unless you are scum, the question after that is does that mean you are merely covering for LC and this whole vote on him thing you did is just a rouse?

[easjo682]

it was still kinda immature to ask for a poll on who has lashed out more

[easjo682]

Its immature to ask about who started a scrap, because it takes two to contribute

[easjo682]

I'm a GIRL why don't people get that? I have already mentioned it once in this game and I'm certain someone else did as well. cause believe it or not girls are on the internet, and girls do role-playing stuff and this happens to be a girl who's getting sick of everyone referring to me as he!!

I also had this problem. It actually stopped once I made an avatar saying 'Im female, refer to me as such or die' ~ Hayl

[easjo682]

Sorry about the previous lack of votecounts, I've had a stressful few days.

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[easjo682]

so everyone is now waiting to lynch AGar?

[easjo682]

I'm apprehensive about lynching him, I'm not a fan of lynching lurkers

[easjo682]

take your time, when you are all caught up, whats your opinion on how your predecessor acted?

[easjo682]

sorry I haven't posted much in the recent times, it just seems like everyone is waiting on this agar thing, I'm not sure what our chances of getting a response from him are like, and its been a long while since he last posted so, where do we go from here? Kishime I'd really rather like it if you were to make up your mind on the agar issue, have you made a decision? even if it just something like: if he doesn't post in the next ten hours; or if he gives a fully detailed post; or if he role claims; or if ...

[easjo682]

It looks like easjo is looking pretty scummy. She voted Papa Zito 3 days ago but never gave ANY reasoning for that vote, plus she wasn't voting for AGar when he was at L1 yet kept pushing for his lynch, almost like she didn't want to be blamed when he flipped town.

I haven't been pushing for his lynch I was sick a kishime's behavior with the lynch issue, she kept hoping round on her feet asking if she should or shouldn't put the final vote on him this and everyone else waiting created a lull in the activity.

also talk about a player that loves to bandwagon here, kyle it seems you hop onto the end of a bandwagon, very scummy. you're the third to vote on me and the fourth on agar... whats going on here?


[quote="saintkerrigan]
Easjo has a good motive for not voting: AGar was at L-1. Lynching him cuts the day short.
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exactly why I didn't place a vote on him, and wha-la we aren't currently in night phase.

Meanwhile, there's easjo682.

thats it? thats all you have to say on that?
wow, and people wonder why I'm leaving my vote on you?

[easjo682]

Kishime, you are being manipulated here, you seem townie to me where as the other two people with votes on me come off as scummy.

[easjo682]

Why do you feel SaintKerrigan is scummy? (SK, I know you aren't voting here anymore, but you are the only one she could mean)

no I was meaning kyle and papa zito, not saintkerrigan

How am I towny?

its just the feeling i get from you

[easjo682]

How am I towny?

its just the feeling i get from you

Are you trying to seduce me?

I try to seduce every

thing

one

And why don't you think Sin is scum?

I haven't really paid much attention to sin all game so I don't have much of an opinion about him, there have been conflicting time with him though, sometimes he seems the scummiest player other times he seems really townie, I guess what I'm trying to say is that he wouldn't be at the top of my suspect list, but hes far from the bottom of it.

[easjo682]

also talk about a player that loves to bandwagon here, kyle it seems you hop onto the end of a bandwagon, very scummy. you're the third to vote on me and the fourth on agar... whats going on here?

so I take it that you dont have anything to say on this then Kyle99?

[easjo682]

also talk about a player that loves to bandwagon here, kyle it seems you hop onto the end of a bandwagon, very scummy. you're the third to vote on me and the fourth on agar... whats going on here?

so I take it that you dont have anything to say on this then Kyle99?

Bandwagons aren't always bad, especially when their on scummy people.

so its just a coincidence that you jump on once there are several votes as opposed to voting earlier when you first start to think they're scum?

[easjo682]

unvote

vote: Kyle99

[easjo682]

yeah, I thought so.

[easjo682]

sure, here it is

1-kyle99 -

Jumps on the lastest bandwagon, took a long while to respond to my querry on bandwagoning (2 or three pages between his other musings)likes he's urgently wanting it to go through, encouraged lynching lurkers (Agar) quite definativly but didnt actually place a vote on him for a long time after

2-Papa Zito -

As IC on this game placed a second vote on someone in RVS, while this is probably not uncommon, it still a bit fishy. Said within the first couple pages he

knew

who the mafia were while at first this was fine by me that feeling quickly evapourated. has FOS'ed a couple of times without explaination, constanly provides

statements

on peoples alignment without posting what his reasoning is eg

Meanwhile, there's easjo682.

3-AGar -

Never posting, kept promising to make long posts and never did even though he was actived on other parts of the site before going completly AWOL

4-SinSpawn9000 -

makes some good points but also makes some poor arguements eg

Kishimes vote on me is obviously a OMGUS vote cause I still think he is mafia and I have picked apart all his poorly made defenses.

after several people had made hole in his arguement

5-Saint Kerrigan (Lightwolfj) -

in Lightwolfj first post put someone at three outta five votes to lynch. (L-2) since Saint Kerrigan has replaced seems to be an active scum hunter, hes this far up because he kept saying he'd give a full player analysis though has yet to do this even though it been 94 hours (which is almost 4 days) sine his first post, even though real life does interfere with real life, I'd of thought 4 days would be plenty of time

6-LordChronos -

Instantly took away his RVS when he saw that some had put the person had been put to L-2. seems to be scum hunting

7-Kishime -

seems to be genuinely scum hunting, didnt hammer given the oppotunity and intial willingness

8-Regfan -

Initially I had some suspisions of him but those quickly dropped, this player seems to be a half decent townie to me because he has since provided some good insight on players and issues such as bandwagons



This list is in order from what is IMO the most scummy to least scummy player, but the gaps between some people are lesser or greater than the gap between others. I especially had trouble deciding who was more scummy out of Saint Kerrigan (Lightwolfj) and SinSpawn9000

[easjo682]

This point isn't getting nearly enough attention from people. Come on guys!

why the fuck are you trying to make it even longer thats just not cool

[easjo682]

I see this ending 2 ways, lynch of Kyle99 soon OR we hit the 3 week deadline.

Also, I have never seen such a long day 1, seen a day 2 last 2 months but this is so long for a day 1.

chill we still have 9 days

[easjo682]

Hayl, can we get a vote count soon?

and sin you just jumped a couple places, you want to end the day quickly? when we still have nine days thats plenty of time don't get panicky now.

right now I'm still suspicious of kyle99, how can you deny given the evidence that in agars case you didn't know your vote placed him at L-1?

pwnman, welcome to our humble little circle.

[easjo682]

umm, you have me down as voting twice, my vote should be on Kyle99

OOPS! Sorry, I'm distracted, my boyfriend is coming to visit, I haven't seen him since New Year xD ~ Hayl

[easjo682]

Ok, woah, that was unexpected. Why is it always when I am gone that we lynch someone?

murphy, blame murphy and his stupid law, I too am always not here when the hammer comes down.

[easjo682]

I'm in two minds about it, on the one hand I did think that kyle was scum, hence my vote on him so I understand pwnmans hammer, but then on the other hand anyone who hammers is automatically under suspicion, especially considering it is someone who only just joined, was this a window of opportunity?

[easjo682]

And you LC?

[easjo682]

What I'm also going to look for when we come back from the night phase is, what the hell has happened to Papa Zito? has he disappeared everywhere on the site? or just this thread?

[easjo682]

I think pwnman saw this as a window of oppotunity to off kyle99, pretty scummy that he changed his vote so quickly and pulled the hammer

FOS pwnman

[easjo682]

well now that you are a L-1 is there any claim you want to make absolutely clear or anything else you would like to say?

[easjo682]

well I'm all caught up and have no problems with lynching pwnman, he's giving a good reaction now that he's the one at L-1

[easjo682]

Well I hope you like having yourself thrown into LyLo

we wont be putting ourselves in lylo seeing as your obv. scum
and in the case that it does put us in lylo at least we wont have a bad townie fucking it up for us.

[easjo682]

amazing how he suddenly goes quiet...

[easjo682]

well seeing as my opinion of pwnman is unlikely to change and he just keeps getting scummier

Vote: pwnman

[easjo682]

We don't need another quicklynch

that seems a bit hypocritical of you, so its okay when you end up quick lynching someone but not when its on you?

[easjo682]

geeze McGriddle you keep changing your view point every 5 minutes, seems you go with whatever is popular at the time, whats up with that?

FOS: McGriddle

[easjo682]

sounds like you're just backing yourself up incase he flips town there mcgriddle

[easjo682]

maybe it just seems an odd time to bring it up, surely a more ideal time would've been when you were debating whether or not to lay a vote on him and explain a policy lynch to newbs...

[easjo682]

Well he's not my next biggest suspect, I just found his behaviour as IC odd and so I said, much like people did in the last twilight

[easjo682]

yes, I just thought you point out what you were doing when you laid the hammer or earlier when you were having a crisis over whether or not to leave your vote on him.

[easjo682]

Its where you lynch someone because you're thought is 'well if they turn out not to be scum they wouldn't have done the town much good anyway'

[easjo682]

wow, such bad reasoning there kishime and sinspawn voting for someone because you think they're town?
And sin, think the days go on too long? we have until the time limit to make up our minds on who to lynch, so let us use the time, at least it means that we are thinking about our choice even though so far we've been wrong, I'd hate it if we were given a one week limit because if push came to shove I'd feel more forced in my vote and I don't like making rush decisions on who to lynch

Honestly, if you would lynch me You will be disappointed when I flip town, but then you would know who is really scum.

and that, is pretty scummy IMO trying to defend yourself with, 'when i flip town...'

fos: sinspawn

and people should be more careful with their voting now that we're down to lynch or lose

[easjo682]

(yes I know this sounds ridiculous, but I think it will work.)

quite right it's ridiculous logic

[easjo682]

vote: SinSpawn9000

[easjo682]

or option four, I believe he's towniest person here and therefore didn't hammer him because I'm not into hammering townies, and considering this is lynch or lose time I don't want to take the risk of losing the game.

I believe sin is the scummiest here because of his poor 'reverse psychology' reasoning, and now /I'm starting to think you're his partner.

[easjo682]

how can I convince you of actual evidence when you are going to discredit things, you already havee with a post like '

LC has

certainly had good posts

and

most of what he says makes sense

, but that in

no way means he couldn't be mafia

. If you are so convinced LC is town, convince me with actual evidence.

if you're so convinced he's not you show me evidence.
How do I not know that you and sin aren't mafia, hell you could've planned this, leaving LC around, then saying 'he must be mafia because the mafia didn't kill him' knowing that it could sway me or McGriddle to lynch.

[easjo682]

everything

is a scum tell

nothing

is a scum tell

really it comes down to personal judgement

[easjo682]

how can I convince you of actual evidence when you are going to discredit things, you already havee with a post like '

LC has

certainly had good posts

and

most of what he says makes sense

, but that in

no way means he couldn't be mafia

. If you are so convinced LC is town, convince me with actual evidence.

if you're so convinced he's not you show me evidence.
How do I not know that you and sin aren't mafia, hell you could've planned this, leaving LC around, then saying 'he must be mafia because the mafia didn't kill him' knowing that it could sway me or McGriddle to lynch.

The parts you bold in no way point to LC being town. LC is a human being with a certain level of logic. Since he uses good logic in his posts, people haven't been suspicious of him. If he pulls a mafia role he doesn't suddenly lose all ability to form a coherent thought.

Show you my evidence for why he's not mafia? I just did. He wouldn't be alive if he was town because if you were to rank everyone 1-9 with towniest being 1 he would have been 1 or 2 on Day 1.

The second part of that is WIFOM nonsense that I have no way to prove or disprove. It would be like me saying how do I know you and LC arent mafia trying to say that I'm mafia trying to pin LC as mafia since I... and it goes on and on and on forever.

you are doing the exact same thing as me, those bolded parts were for demonstrating the flaws in your thinking, you said I could prove LC town when you say hes been a good poster and what hes says makes sence but then you simply add that, that doesn't mean hes not mafia, which means any post I drag up you could easily discredit with, "well mafia could do that"

as for the WIFOM, yeah i guess you're right there but that doesnt mean anything, I think you're mafia and you didn't kill off LC for some reason, and thats the best reason I can think of, either that or you saw Regfan as a bigger threat

[easjo682]

so are you gonna respond to my lastest post or not?

[easjo682]

Are run on sentences mafia tells?

oh, ha ha, are rhetorical questions mafia tells?

Mafia could do anything. The question is, is mafia more likely to do something than town? Are you implying that the town is more likely to produce posts that are logical than mafia is? I've played enough games where some moron townie got himself lynched by making illogical posts to know this isn't true.

no what I was trying to say is by you orignal post, here

LC has certainly had good posts and most of what he says makes sense, but that in no way means he couldn't be mafia. If you are so convinced LC is town, convince me with actual evidence.

it looks to me that you're asking me to give some reasons why LC is town which would be this part

If you are so convinced LC is town, convince me with actual evidence.

thats fine, but earlier on in the post you also say

C has certainly had good posts and most of what he says makes sense

which in itself is more back up for the belief hes town, but then you go on to tear it down with

but that in no way means he couldn't be mafia

which to me comes across as any evidence i give to you of 'good posts' from LC will be instanly discredited with

but that in no way means he couldn't be mafia

or such similar rebuttal.

If I was mafia LC would have been dead the first day. No way to prove this but it's true.
How is Regfan a bigger threat? Did he vote for me? I honestly don't remember.

theres no way to prove anything here either way either.

[easjo682]

so what now it's a crime to have an opinion that can change?

[easjo682]

I just hope to god you're right...

[easjo682]

The bad part is where you said I was town because you had a "feeling" about it. Pretty weak.

you didnt have a problem with it then..

[easjo682]

umm, shouldn't we wait until we find out what side LC is on, the game could've finished although I imagine you'd be gloating right now if that was the case.

[easjo682]

I'm town! hows that for not ignoring it?

[easjo682]

I'm the doctor! please don't do this, I didn't reveal I was doctor earlier cause I had no need to! please don't kill me the mafia will win!

[easjo682]

yeah I didn't save anybody any night, last night I was roleblocked, and the other two nights I guessed wrong.
the first night I protected Regfan
the second night I protected Kishime
Third night I tried to protect McGriddle, bbut someone must have roleblocked me because it didn't work

[easjo682]

vote: kishime

[easjo682]

your post doesn't make sense.

[easjo682]

I'm surprised that my doctor claim worked! I thought I'd get killed right off the bat today.

hayl can we get an end sequence

[easjo682]

but it worked, and thats the important thing

[easjo682]

I thought about bringing up I was doctor in my last game and that I got lynched in lylo, try to get appeal there but I thought that would be pushing it.

[easjo682]

Join some non-newbie games!

was planning on it

[easjo682]

so were you watching our game the whole time?

[easjo682]

good game, could you post the links for dead people forum and our scum forum.

[easjo682]

Im fine with LC how about you?

[easjo682]

and I have to say day three I totally didn't expect you guys to go after LC, if anyone was going to be attacked I thought it was gonna be me.

[easjo682]

Did anyone feel my flavor was going a bit too far?

nah, I enjoyed the flavor, every game needs some, even a newb one.

[easjo682]

hers our mafia qt
http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/FXkTdxCsCht3D