Newbie 830: Game Over

[My Milked Eek]

/confirm

Hi, I'm your IC, Eek. You can and may ask me stuff.

I advise new players to check out the following before we begin:
- Newbie Guide
- Glossary

Welcome and good luck!

[My Milked Eek]

Vote: almaster

There's only one who can have a Pokémon-related avatar.

Can I also request that the players without an avatar get an avatar? It's easier for the others to recognize you that way.

[My Milked Eek]

I have to say that I get suspicious of My Milked Eek due to his "interesting" vote..

Vote: My Milked Eek

Good, your vote tells us 2 things:

1) your vote isn't random
2) something is off with my vote according to you

If you could elaborate on the second thing please.

Is this some sort of scum tactic?

Obviously.

No, seriously, it is easier for us to tie posts to a person with visual material, such as avatars. It also adds more character to you as a poster/player, imo.

[My Milked Eek]

I disagree on every count.

As said: elaborate please.

[My Milked Eek]

You didn't really answer our questions, but let's start with what we have:

My idea was that My Milked Eek voted for a pointless reason (the avatar).

You see, it was a pointless reason. I got that, almaster got that and now you admit to getting that as well. If you acknowledge it was a pointless reason, why did you think of it as suspicious?

People! Be sensible!

Notice how My Milked Eek commented on my vote, and then Jed Cooper comes in and agrees with Eek, and asked me to explain my vote, which I already had done in my post.

Now Eek asks for avatars, and moose comments on this. Then guess who comes in to support Eek?

Relax, my friend, the game is young and the wine is still plenty.

1) What was so suspicious of my vote that made you vote for me?
2) Would you say that Jed agreeing with me is a sign that he is a scum trying to buddy up to me or is it a sign of him trying to scumhunt?
3) What do you think about moose's comment?
4) Same as #2, does jed appear to be buddying or hunting scum to you?

[My Milked Eek]

No. MY question is why is Milk defending you here. Are you two scum buddies?

Who am I defending where exactly again?

[My Milked Eek]

No. MY question is why is Milk defending you here. Are you two scum buddies?

Who am I defending where exactly again?

I'm just questioning the "easy treatment" you are giving Dark in a "coaching him through it" kind of way.

I want to make sure that dark understands what he's saying, it appears to me he isn't really aware of the gravity of his vote for me and his following posts. Don't think that I'm not suspicious of his behaviour right now. I just don't see it fitting to vote him just yet.

Then Moose said he disagreed with your points on all counts and the idea came to me that maybe you both were scum?

I don't really see the line that connects point A to point B really.

I have been suspicious of both Eek and Jed, and now I'm counter-voting Jed because he voted for me

This should be pretty clear if you were to read my previous posts.

1) You didn't really explain why I'm suspicious. And before you're going to reference that one post you made, let me tell you that that is not a good enough reason.

2) Are you suspicious of Jed only because he is suspicious of you?

3) Why are you ignoring my questions?

OMGUS:

Oh My God, You Suck (for voting for me).

In essence it's a retaliatory vote, in other words you vote a person only because they voted for you. And usually that's the only reason to vote.

Do note that not all cross voting is omgus.

[My Milked Eek]

1) It started when you posted that awkward "I'm the only one who can have a Pokemon avatar" post.

2) No, because he backs up everything you say.

3) I answer them if I want to answer them.

1) You do realize that games usually start with a "random voting stage" (abbr. rvs), in which players "random vote" other players to get some discussion started. This isn't always necessary and some games start without them. Some players even refuse to random vote.

You see, there was no actual reason behind my vote, other than having a vote placed somewhere. The reason I picked almaster was randomly picked.

Now, if someone were to say "I find player x suspicious" in their first post, people usually expect some explanation.


2) Does that make him suspicious? Me? Or you, the subject of our shared suspicion?


3) Sure, but you do realize that not answering questions makes you look evasive, which in turn does not aid your case.

Now, if you will go back and answer all of my questions.

Unvote

.

[My Milked Eek]

Uhm...

Link you to what exactly?

[My Milked Eek]

4) Same as #2, does jed appear to be buddying or hunting scum to you?

Sure, it makes it seem more likely that Jed is innocent because he is aggressively attacking people a lot, but he could just be doing that to preempt negative attention. By stating your points 2 & 4, you're in effect buddying him.

I understand your point, but I wanted to let darklight figure out on himself that the reason jed is suspicious of him is not to "support me", but because dark has been acting rather suspicious.

[My Milked Eek]

I play real-life mafia all the time, like once every week or two weeks at least, but we barely use accusations like that. I feel playing real-life mafia helps with being a bit more aggressive and with reading reactions.

So, did you think your play was aggressive? Because I don't, especially not after you unvoted jed after some minor pressure.

Did you find any interesting reactions amongst the other players?

@Jed, I think he's definitely trying his best to try and find scum...or he is scum or he's trying to wave the suspicion off him to another person. One of the two.

A rather interesting opinion/comment as it tells us absolutely nothing about your opinion on darklight. And even if it does, it leaves a lot of wiggle room for you. Either way, I don't like this post.

[My Milked Eek]

Well, I don't like voting until at least page 5.

And really. I don't have a opinion on dark right now. My opinion is that he seems town, yet he made a newbie mistake, satisfied? What are your opinions on dark??

I wonder why you find the page we're on to be essential to your vote.

And yes, I am, but you could've said your opinion on him the first time we asked. Unambiguously.

My opinion on dark is that he's an overeager newbie, who, yes, made mistakes and felt slightly scummy to me, but his most recent comment, however, feels like a scum slip up to me:

Why would Almaster want to vote for someone inactive?

They'd hardly be scum

..

Bold added for emphasis. How would you know belili isn't scum?

FoS: DarkLight

[My Milked Eek]

Honestly that was just to get the ball rolling. It worked. I R PRO WOOT

Ok, congratulations. Albeit, your post didn't really kickstart the game. And if you would give your opinion on the "rolling ball", that'd be very much appreciated.

Now.... one thing I do find interesting and I know It has no real meaning but that two pokemon people are in this game. Pokemon often live inside little bubbles where they do not bathe. Scum build can happen that way. I think we got our two mafia. Good game town.

The random stage ended with the third game post or something, I suggest you leave yours at the door and comment on the game so far.

[My Milked Eek]

The random stage ended with the third game post or something, I suggest you leave yours at the door and comment on the game so far.

First it was the avatar, Now it's what I should and should not comment on. You really like being bossy, don't you?

The avatar was a suggestion. I have suggested it several times in several games as have other IC's in many other games. No where did I boss everyone into getting one, I suggested getting one because it is easier for everyone to remember you by as at the time of the suggestion there were 4 avatarless players. I couldn't care less if there was one player without an avatar, but 4 is a bit too much.

If you don't want to comment on the game, then why play it? By the sound of your posts as of yet, you are very uncommitted to this game.

[My Milked Eek]

So you wanna tell me how comminted I should be now?! wow.... seriously, just because your an IC doesn't mean your super mafia superstar king of all forums.....

Ok, whatever you say.

[My Milked Eek]

Welcome and thanks for replacing in, csl.

Do you have opinions on other people in this game as well so far? If so, I'd like to hear them

[My Milked Eek]

I disagree with what everyone says about me.

How can you disagree with us saying you're not really helping?

A) I am scum hunting, if i have to be a douche I will.

Ok, sure. If you want to. But realize that you can scumhunt without being "a douche". And if you say you are scumhunting, why not share your findings with us?

B) I am here for one thing, that's to win. And as mafia I promised my partners I'd do everything in my power to help them win.

"As mafia"?

[My Milked Eek]

lol I got ninja'd

[My Milked Eek]

When I clicked "post reply" I didn't see your second post. And when it was submitted there was your post. Containing the same content. That's ninja'd.

[My Milked Eek]

I am (---) this close to asking for a replacement.

Where is our IC telling these scrubby newbies how damn scummy it is to even come close to lynching someone on page SIX

Damn stupid asshats are gonna get steamrolled by the mafia.

Sleeping. Now let me catch up.

[My Milked Eek]

Don't hammer just yet. give moose a chance to claim and others to chime in.

I am seriously lol'ing at you all.

Instead of lolling, play the game.

I very well may be lynched tonight. Acutally it looks like its going to happen sooner than later. Before I die let me throw some bones out here so that the town may continue to use the knowledge I gained as a tool for future lynchings. I have yet to lose on mafia, please, don't let this be the first loss for me!

Which of course, leads me [and the rest of you] to look at him funny.

Vote: moose200x

Rallying the team together or laying hints to teammates. Either way. scum.

FoS: moose

He seems to believe that he has authority, is this a scum move?

Newb card being thrown out early. Scummy.

B) I am here for one thing, that's to win. And as mafia I promised my partners I'd do everything in my power to help them win.

I'm pretty sure somebody just got owned.

Unvote. Vote: moose200x.

WTF? This post really screams out "HEY IM SO STUPID I CAN TAKE A JOKE" How much of a scum tell is that? I'd say.... 90%




My scum list:

DarkLightA
AfroLaX
AlmasterGM

As said before, you're omgussing all of them. And all your "scumtells" you bring up here are rather void since you caused this situation by acting suspicious and saying

that

.

Besides, your appeal to emotion isn't helping you.

EBWOP: But I guarentee, it won't be that thorough...

Why would you want us to know again? Are you telling us ahead you're going to sit on the fence?

Partial PBPA of DLA and Full PBPA of Cooper:

I have to say that I get suspicious of My Milked Eek due to his "interesting" vote..

Vote: My Milked Eek

Get the discussion going, and

my vote is open for change

.

Sounds scum-aware to me.

Vote Dark

My idea was that My Milked Eek voted for a pointless reason (the avatar). Now, you are the only one supporting him.. Now,

that

seems scum-like to me.

DLA, you may be right about that, but you need more analysis of that. I don't see it being scummish.
Cooper, don't think he's scum yet, I did that tactic in another game, and look where it got me.

Why would you feel the need to defend DarkLight? And those aren't PBPA's. Not even partial ones.

Busted. If nobody can now see why this guy is either mafia or a total scrub then the entire game is over.

Instead of saying this, which is just mudslinging, provide some reasons please.

I'd like to say something here:

We are only 5 pages in and we are already looking at a lynch.

I think the best thing we can do right now is try to focus on who would be Moose's scum buddy.

For starters, I'm going to look for anything that might show a Dark-Moose scum team.

I would also like to point out that CSL has replaced in here and has effectively brought us to L-2 in less than a page...

Assuming moose is scum, right?

@Eek:

Your opinion on moose's play? Everyone else's?

@moose

: Your opinion on Eek's play? Everyone else's?

Awesome way to look protown by repeating someone else's question with different names!

@Everyone: Don't think this is bussing/coaching/whatever, because it's not.

Where are you bussing? And why are you afraid you would appear doing so?

I am (---) this close to asking for a replacement.

Where is our IC telling these scrubby newbies how damn scummy it is to even come close to lynching someone on page SIX

Damn stupid asshats are gonna get steamrolled by the mafia.

Is replacing out how you avoid losses? Don't replace out if not needed, you're straining a system that doesn't need it that way.

1) It doesn't matter what page, if the lynch is well based it's ok. (and even then quicklynches learn us stuff too)
2) You're appealing to emotion again.
3) I don't really think we should lynch you right now. I'd rather wait until you post something more of value and some others chime in.

I think it's time for moose to claim, I guess. In the meanwhile, I'll get something to eat, shower and such. I'll come back with some reasoning later and rereading the thread.

[My Milked Eek]

Now, one can assume that if I am town that both mafia jumped on me already. Please keep that in mind.

Ideas?

[My Milked Eek]

The IC: Town. Easy. If he is mafia we all lose anyways.

Not helping my own case:

The mod always randomizes the role spread. Me being an IC, doesn't mean I'm better at this game, it just means I'm more experienced and I'm here to show you the ropes. I could just as well be mafia and do that.

[My Milked Eek]

Moose, now you're just trying to put the blame on other people. Stop. Explain

yourself

instead.

Are you reading the thread?

Both Jed and I asked moose to give us his suspects a few posts ago.

>> Moose
It's not that you called me IC that made me post that, it's the "If he is mafia we all lose anyways." that did.

[My Milked Eek]

My opinion on moose is a mixed one. I can totally understand it from his playstyle to act like this, especially when pressured. Although if he is a townie, I'd rather he'd change his style a bit >_>

That being said, I'm not sure if he's scum. There's a lot of noise compared to the signal and I fear we're focusing a bit too much on the noise. The noise is mainly brought forth because of the behavior of other players, so I'm not sure whether the catalysts are more scummy or him. I cannot say, though, that I like the signal we're getting. So let's just say, it's "do not have a read yet, but leaning towards scum".


Whom I do have a nagging feeling about is CSL:
- fence sitting
- trying to appear a bit too protown
- eagerness to lynch

But I need to get a proper reread :)

[My Milked Eek]

Afrolax:

opinion on csl?

[My Milked Eek]

I know I appear to hesitating to hammer, because well, I actually am. I don't think it's time to end the day just yet. If you want him lynched

that

badly, ask one of the other three players not voting for moose.

Going to do my reread now.

[My Milked Eek]

I think that is the worse part, I am gonna be killed and one player hasnt even posted yet


My attitude will not change. I am hear to find scum and dominate the game. My playstyle must be able to flex and fit in the changing environment tho.

One proble I believe is that alot of you arent from america. Perhaps it's a culture difference between us but I do not feel i've acted scummy nor have I acted in any manner that deserves a lynch.

Interrupting reread to post:

lol

1) your playstyle indeed does dominate the game, but obviously not in the good way. I either suggest you adapt a new style or use your current one to find scum.
2) mafia isn't about one player dominating the game, believe it or not, it's a teambased game. In fact, one player dominating is counterproductive.

And as CSL said:
LOL

[My Milked Eek]

CSL:
Opinions on a few people. Pref. top two scum, not including moose. Provide reasoning.

And no, I do not ask to find a scumpair. I ask for your top two scumcandidates.

>
It is not useful of people trying to scumpairing during D1. Looking for buddying/distancing is done best after a scum flipped.

[My Milked Eek]

lol

Everybody's apologizing because they're asleep. But I have to admit, this game has started really fast. (approx. 70ppd)

[My Milked Eek]

I'm going to post some notes I took while reading the game. You can skip, they're not essential to anyone else, but I spent some time making them >=(

If you want to skip, skip until you see a bolded "conclusion".

---

Notes

What started the moose suspicion, imo, is the combination of his playstyle and unwillingness to listen to "authority". I say "authority", because I think he thought I was trying to "play the boss". It all escalated in post #071.

Now, if I were to judge his play up until that point, I'd label it as antitown, selfish and unthoughtful. But I wouldn't call it scummy.

After #071, it all escalated after a lot of people got on his back for it. Jed, AfroLax and DarkLight. Even CSL did with his second post (#084). The way I see it and feel about it, there's one scum pushing moose at this point. My gut ached the most when reading CSL's post.

Mooses next post (#088) is the infamous "as a mafia" post. I'm still not sure what to make of it. You cannot really call it a slip, because the words are too unambiguous to be a slip. They're also contradictory:

• ... And as mafia I promised my partner

  s

  ...

A mafia in this game would only have one partner, so using these exact words as a mean to prove his scumness would be hypocritical. Regardless, still interesting words.

After he posted this, CSL and I questioned him about it. A bit late to the venue, DarkLight asks the same question as us. And almaster uses this moment to vote for moose. (I think that's 2)

Afrolax logs on and posts #101. In which he insinuates (but not yet) that dark and moose could be cooperating. Sure, it could be that they are, but this is a funny way of taking away the suspicion of a buddy.

Moose tries to scumhunt, but the attempt is a bit sad. It results in him calling two of his three voters scummy + dark who hossed him. First appeal to emotion. This post is, imo, the scummiest up until now, only to be followed by #088. NOTE: Afro asks for a hammer.

The unfortunate thing about moose's play is that he thinks he found scum with every other post (#116), while he actually isn't saying anything more than a big "NO U".

The funny thing about this post is the reaction of CSL in the following post:

• "
  moose, as it stands now, you're going to have a hard time having people believe what you say, scum.
  "

In essence, this post isn't that odd or peculiar as it is true. People won't believe him as fast as they would someone else at that point. The odd thing is the need to use the word "scum" to address moose.

Some futile discussion, up until #131. CSL wanting to hammer moose.

Dark, L-1's moose.

Rehashing the old no u comment.

!read if moose flips scum.

I stopped caring to take notes, but it comes down to moose calling mae a lurker, interestig bit by dark, odd fos on dark by afrolax, from my pov an odd pairing made by afrolax, lol an attempt at trying to drag me down with him, csl fossing dark for the same absurd reason as afrolax.

That's about it.

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Conclusions

There you have it. A reread was necessary to gather all my thoughts, because we have passed the 200 post mark in less than 3 days, which is insanely fast. Guess we all have no lives and too many time to spend on the Internet. Especially when we start to consider sleeping to be lurking.

Anyways, on to my conclusions;

>> Moose

After having read his posts more carefully and in detail and ease, I'm inclined that he's scum. I'll put my reasons into bullet points:
* consistent omgussing
* calling people out on their so called scumtells, yet he takes no action (i.e. vote)
* calling people lurkers, when they're sleeping... This is actually under the nominator "incriminating people on a weak basis", but calling it the way I did sounded more funny.
* trying to drag down another player
* ridiculous reasons to discredit the wagon (culture reference)

I'm ready to hammer him suspiciouswise, I'd rather wait a bit longer for a replacement to be found, to be caught up and such and for other people to post a bit more (CSL, looking at you).

>> CSL

Aside from the other points I already brought up in #161, I found a few odd things. (repeating first three reasons from #161)

* fence sitting (even now he's not willing to share his opinion)
* trying to appear a bit too protown
* eagerness to lynch
* appears to be bussing moose and tries to look more protown-er by getting "agitated"

As for him bussing, read his posts in isolation* and tell me what you find of his stances towards moose. And yes, I did say it's not useful to do at this point, but I felt it necessary to point out right now. Do note that the possible bus isn't decisive in my opinion of CSL and that I thought funny of him before I saw a possible bus.


* isolation reading is:
- scroll down to the bottom of the page and see
Display posts from previous: [ All Posts ] by [ All Users ] [ Oldest First ] [ Go ]
- select a user and click "go"

[My Milked Eek]

ones that do not accuse me of being scum

Then I can't comment

omg I lol'd irl.


And CSL, you do realize you only fulfilled half of my request? The reasoning behind your top two mattered more than that silly "ladder".

And before anyone says anything: DON'T make lists like that now. Doing so only paints big red targets on everyone's favorite townie. If making a list make it a top two/three of scum. nothing more, nothing less.

[My Milked Eek]

Ok, I'm going to make a point out of all of this.

@ALL: I AM NOT EAGER FOR A LYNCH! I AM NOT EAGER FOR A QUICK HAMMER! Now stop accusing me of them, it's getting annoying.

Eek, you claimed to have re-read, but I ask you. Did you read all of my posts thoroughly? Sorry If I sound pissed, but everyone accusing me of being scum in the other game already pissed me off, and this is not helping.

I did not read everyone in isolation, that would have wasted my entire afternoon.

And you were one of the the only two who asked for a hammer on moose (afro and yourself) iirc. Asking for a hammer = eagerness to lynch. Regardless of caps lock.

[My Milked Eek]

... I mentioned that if he was at L-1 AND I never voted yet, I MIGHT'VE hammered him. BUT I already am voting for him and he's at L-1.

This indicates you not wanting a lynch how exactly?

Also, this does not sound like "MIGHT'VE".

[My Milked Eek]

Well, this is how I look at it.

I'm already "suspicious"

If I retract my vote, will that make me more suspicious? Yes.

What am I going to do...

It would make you suspicious because you are suspicious of moose and no one else. Retracting your vote without any reason is scummy, especially because you were one of the louder people on moose's wagon.

Tell me, why do you want to retract your vote?

[My Milked Eek]

If you don't want to retract your vote, why did you say that then?

[My Milked Eek]

And by "overlooked" you mean?

Would you not agree that it's better for your sake that you go look for yourself if you miss something and form your opinion about new things yourself?

[My Milked Eek]

Any opinion on a second scum candidate? Does not have to relate to moose being scum or not, iow someone you find scummy independently of moose.

[My Milked Eek]

Why not just retract your vote and say that it's a bit early for L-1 and that we should stop being hasty and talk things over for the full amount of allotted time? Seems like a decent reason to me, I was going to do it myself. The day is still quite young.

Has your stance about moose changed? And I don't see anyone quick-hammering anytime soon, but I would like someone to unvote, in case moose self-hammers.

[My Milked Eek]

I don't see what that game has to do with our speed or state in the day. All this proves is that we're fast and responsive posters, which is a good thing.

[My Milked Eek]

Would you stop making non-relevant posts please?

I'm GMT+1. The weather is nice, there's few clouds a nice breeze, the sun was rather hot. This morning I had Coco Pops for breakfast, I ate a sandwich for lunch and steak for dinner. The song that's playing right now is "Unwashed and Somewhat Slightly Dazed" by Bowie. And no, I do not know why kids love Cinnamon Crunch.


If you have time to spare, do not ask irrelevant questions, it'd be better if you used that time to reread and post some opinions.

[My Milked Eek]

To Eek, Since you are an IC, I have a request.


How about you reread and isolate my posts but pretend that you lynched me and I was town. That is what is going to happen anyways and it would allow me to help town out by being able to post some thoughts and feelings.

I understand the case agianst me is VERY strong. I would just like to be able to help us win the game.

Everybody else, feel free to do the same. Pretend I am town and I was lynched then reread my posts and let's see what we can come up with

I don't see why the IC doing this would be relevant.

1) this isn't animal farm, my opinion isn't more equal than the others
2) this is useless wifom speculation, we'll look into your suggestion when the time comes (i.e. when you flip (doesn't matter what you'll flip))
3) instead of having us build your cases and as thus alleviating the suspicion on you: do it yourself. I reread the thread today. You popped out as most scummy.

You are going to look pretty stupid in the near future.

Argument invalid. (explanation below)

Afro, moose is somewhat correct. If he turns town on lynch, you're going to look suspicious. IGMEOY

Hypocrite. (explanation below)

Beware the people who say stuff "moose brought it on himself, we had to vote for him"

Argument invalid. (explanation below)

Afro...if he does turn up town, you will be in a bad spot.

Hypocrite. (explanation below)


Explanation:
1) Moose flipping town has no real consequences for afro or anyone on his wagon, the wagon is highly justified and based with a lot of reasons. Afro is correct (and it's unnecessary to say it) in saying that "it's a risk he's willing to take". I see nothing wrong with someone voting for someone they believe to be scum. I think it's very protown actually. Take a step back, moose, and think about it.

2) Let's _assume_ Afro would be in a bad situation, cls, assume. I think it is you who will be in the worst one of the moose-wagoners if he flips town.


Given the current exchange of posts concerning moose flipping town/scum/the bird, cls has risen even higher on my scum list, because of how he unvoted and is now using the "you'll look bad" argument very conveniently to incriminate a player who deserves it not.

[My Milked Eek]

Ok, I've examined all the posts again, and have this to say.

If moose is lynched

If he turns town

Afro will look really scummy

If he flips scum

Afro is obvtown

If moose is not lynched

We obviously get no information, and we might lose 0-2 townies during the Night Phase.

Any questions?

I don't see the connection between moose flipping anything and afro being something.

Tell me how you're so sure if moose flips scum that afro is town.
Tell me how you're sure if moose flips town that afro is scum.

Again, I'm calling you a hypocrite and a backtracking, incriminating one to add.

[My Milked Eek]

NINJA'd again. By 3 seconds

[My Milked Eek]

Afro, given the latest postings, what is your opinion on cls right now?

[My Milked Eek]

It's not the unvoting that's suspicious. You made it pretty clear that you were still suspicious of him. Even "strongly hossing" him at one point and reassuring him of your suspicion at another one. To say afro will be suspicious if he's wrong is really hypocrite.

Sorry, CSL. Unintentional misspelling. Fun fact: someone had misspelled my username as "My Milked Eel".

[My Milked Eek]

Vote: CSL

The day won't end right now. Can I get someone on the moose wagon to unvote? To avoid a self/quick-hammer on moose.

[My Milked Eek]

I guess that was to be expected in a way...

[My Milked Eek]

You're twisting and turning like a "Windhaan" as we say in Dutch. (weather vane)

[My Milked Eek]

CLS is at 3.
Moose is at 3.


I think.

[My Milked Eek]

Sorry.
Moose is at 2.

[My Milked Eek]

@Dark: I'm not saving my own skin. I'm just stating what could happen if the setup was this way, or that way, or whatever.

What good will come of that? Setup speculation at this point is antitown and proscum.

You know what, I grow tired of this argument about how I'm scum, because then you're going to have to deal with suspicions all around once I'm gone.

Not the old moose trick, is this?

Vote: moose

It's staying there. I grow tired of this.

Sorry. moose is at 3.

[My Milked Eek]

I have to admit that CSL is actually

more

scummy in my eyes than even Moose is.

@All:

What is your opinion of CSL?

See the big post a few pages back and add my new accusations + my vote.

Will anyone say what the hell protown behavior is? I have no clue.

Eek, 2 things.

One, I'm at 2.

Two, you misspelled my name again.

1) you're at 3. Jet, Me and Dark.
2) Meh, I'll call you C from now on; It's just that there's this abbreviation in Belgium that starts with CL.

Protown behavior is behavior that aids the protown win condition. There is no universal law here, common sense is used to seperate antitown and protown behavior or to recognize both.

-sigh- The same thing is going to happen just like my other game. How unknowledgeable can you guys get?

-meh- Yet another appeal to emotion. You're fueling your own wagon.

[My Milked Eek]

Am I really?

[My Milked Eek]

Yes you are, Eek, you hypocrite.

lol
Could've expected that one as well.

If anyone who's fossing me thinks a bit longer about it, they'll see I'm not eager to lynch.

[My Milked Eek]

I was about to ask you again to give your opinion on people or to be more precise, the reasoning behind your suspicions.

And

I want to ask Mae her opinions as well. WITH reasons.

[My Milked Eek]

Which means he hasn't decided who to vote for, and should unvote, or he's scum.

False dilemma. Those two aren't even mutually exclusive to begin with.

[My Milked Eek]

Yes, the "OMGUSing indirectly" is one reason why I voted for him.

Are you sure of this?

Here's my PBPA on moose...

Honestly that was just to get the ball rolling. It worked. I R PRO WOOT

What makes you think we'll believe you?

I random vote, alot, I will use alot of different means to scum hunt.

I did that too, but look where it got me.

So you wanna tell me how comminted I should be now?! wow.... seriously, just because your an IC doesn't mean your super mafia superstar king of all forums.....

Your attitude seems scummy.

Well, I think that will be enough to...

Vote: moose

FoS: moose

He seems to believe that he has authority, is this a scum move?

From the looks of it, I think so.

Your first vote btw.

[My Milked Eek]

Belili, for not posting ANYTHING at all.

It's easy accusing the absent, for they cannot reply.

AfroLaX, because I have nowhere else to put him

Not to incriminate him, but why not "neutral"?

@Eek: Yes. It's a reason for the vote I placed moments ago.

If you had said that from the start, it would have saved me some time. >_>

[My Milked Eek]

Did I not say not to make "townlists"? There is a reason behind this.

And why Afro? Why not Jed? Or, dare I say, me?

Moments ago, you were saying "if moose flips town, afro is scum". Pretty weird to place that person in your town section.

[My Milked Eek]

Maybe Belili should be replaced now...I'm an impatient one, dammit.

Or maybe you should just wait for the mod to decide when to replace. He's already being very lenient by searching for a replacement a day before his rules would allow him to find one.

Also:

VLA Notice

I'll be gone for about 7-8 hours, during which I'll sleep. Might be 9. Depends if I decide to snooze before waking up. Just wanted to give you a heads up.

[My Milked Eek]

For god's sake. 19 pages ._.

[My Milked Eek]

Morning.

If you don't mind, I'm going to wake up and get some food first. When I'll be back, I expect no less than 3 extra pages.

Welcome spongebob and thanks for replacing in in our fast game; It seems you're fitting in quite good.

[My Milked Eek]

D'aww... You're welcome, Eek. And thanks. And you are SO dead come next game day

Without reading the thread:

FoS: Spongebob

Planning D2 when we're still on D1 is seriously not done.

[My Milked Eek]

Ugh. Here goes:

Cooper, let the chips fall as they may.

And I don't like how you think it's obvious I'm more scummy.

What would happen if moose is scum, Cooper?

It is obvious. And nothing would happen if he is scum, stop incriminating him without reasons backing it up. This is just a cheap shot.

And now, Mae gets the deciding vote. Do we sit here, like incompetent townies, or do we do something?

Deja vu. It appears you're suspicious of moose for doing the same things really.

As jed said:
which is worse, doing that intentionally or not?

I've noticed Eek comes up a TON. I think he and Eek are co-scum. He spends the first few pages bickering with him because they couldn't POSSIBLY be scum then. He calls Eek a girl, which goes against Eek's shown gender. The expression is "no girls on the internet" for a reason. Why would he assume Eek's female when Eek's gender shows male? The other way around is an honest mistake, and might actually be a decent towntell, but that suggests he might know something he wouldn't if he and Eek were both town.

LMAO

Half that accusation is bull. Are you saying that I'm actually a girl and , let's assume moose and I are scum, are you saying that the first thing I said in the QT/PM/Telepathic thoughts was "I'm not a boy actually".

I'm not coaching, Scum. I'm just pointing out that we may have found your scum-buddy.

I'm starting to think you forgot my big case/notes involving you. This is a classic scumtell.

Yes. I will. Just as soon as moose stops feeding his wagon.

Stop using my words. >=(

Just so you two know: I'm pretty sure exactly one of you is scum. Y'all voted for each other pretty early, moose has been pretty dang scummy and CSL has been uncomfortably buddy-buddy with me this whole time. If the person who gets lynched flips town I'm going for the other one next.

Thanks for telling us you're pretty sure.

Choose well, Mae.
By the way, I would not be surprised if I got nightkilled. As such, I just want to reiterate:
If moose flips town, go after CSL
If moose flips scum, go after Eek
If CSL flips town, go after moose
If CSL flips scum, go after not moose

Once again, I do NOT see the logic behind this. Also, calling false dilemma.


[quot="sbss"]By the way, did you read my post against moose and Eek? I'm pretty sure they're co-scum; a lot of their interactions wouldn't make sense unless they are both scum.[/quote]
You mean, the part where you said I told moose I was girl pregame?

[My Milked Eek]

Hello?

I'm post #481, partially aimed at sbss and I don't like not being heard.

[My Milked Eek]

@Eek: Sorry bout that. Responding to your points towards me.
I'm saying it could have come up that you were a girl in the discussion outside the thread.
The logic is pretty clear. You and Eek seem to have an agreement that you will argue and bicker and make weak accusations but not actually vote for each other. This would allow you to seem like you were having healthy, productive discussion without risking seeming scummy. Interestingly, you both voted for CSL. You seem to be acting as a scum team, and if moose flips town then CSL is probably scum. The reason I think CSL and moose are on opposite teams is that they have an ongoing, mega-angry feud, complete with votes.

You have no idea what you're saying, do you? This is based on nothing. No one has flipped anything yet, tell me WHY are you looking for a scumpair on D1?

[My Milked Eek]

Posting it separately to indicate my level of baffledness:

You're seriously saying that I could have said that I'm a girl to moose pregame?
And that it is one of the premises of your conclusion of me?

[My Milked Eek]

Let's not all claim without reason, shall we?

You claiming indicates an uneasiness in you. Perhaps a fear? Which becomes more apparent with this quote:

"

I know I'm telling the truth, so let's see what happens if you or CSL gets lynched, hmm?

"

[My Milked Eek]

Doesn't matter if people "appear" to be posting in pairs. That's to decide on D2/3/4/5/etc.

I'd rather you use real proof and evidence to accuse people of being scum, instead of wifom-based arguments. They get us nowhere.

[My Milked Eek]

And when the thread goes silent for 20 minutes, one is starting to feel something is off, perhaps a feeling of boredom.


...

Going to read some posts.

[My Milked Eek]

Of course, that's when a post is made 5 seconds before mine is posted...

[My Milked Eek]

C is at 4, meaning L-1.

I already gave my opinion on his claim.

[My Milked Eek]

You guy like my pic?

LOVE IT

[My Milked Eek]

Back to the game. I am very worried that sponge, csl or myself are not scum day 1 has pretty much focused on those 3 people. What if scum has slipped through and is playing us all for fools?

That's why we try to get everyone to spout their opinion on people. Mislynching happens and if it happens, just look at the parties involved and decide if anything is suspicious.

[My Milked Eek]

Ugh, I really liked this game.

See you in the aftermath, go team!

[My Milked Eek]

Moose:
Get over yourself, you lost. We all lost. Namecalling and being rude isn't going to help you. They are also right to report you to mith, that attack was totally uncalled for. I suggest a change in your online behavior, or at least on mafiascum. Yes, this is the Internet, but these parts of the Internet are a bit more serious. Calling people stupid, "bitches" and newbies (imagine that, in a newbie game!) isn't really favorable here.


As for the others: I enjoyed playing with you, the pace of this game was a fun change. I'd like to play with most of you in the future

EBWOP: Eek, sorry I had to kill you but after I saw your notes, I realised you were by a long shot my biggest threat. You had far too much perspective and yes I could have played into your style of thinking, but it wasn't worth the risk [especially with Mae's suspicious lurkage]. I know it's bad manners to kill the IC on night 1, but business is business

I know I could have talked away the "Anyone got a hammer?" comment though - Simply by saying that I just said it to apply further pressure to see if he would crack.

lol, good game. Didn't think it was you, Afrolax. I was thinking Mae and Almaster.

CSL (did I get it right?), sorry for lynching you, but yeah, you were acting suspicious imo.

HI KITTY!

Thanks Thok, for modding this enjoyable game and for keeping up with the insane D1 activity. It was a hassle for me to constantly catch up and reread, I can imagine it must have been one for you as well.

Mae, don't lurk so much, it was getting obvious.