Newbie 792--Mafia Island ~ Mafia win!

[MiteyMouse]

I'm here...mod please see your PMs.

[MiteyMouse]

Confirmed!

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Oh Yay...we have Papa Zito! Did you replace in Papa?

Thesp...I don't love the random voting stage. It is the norm here but, far from my favourite part of the game.
Speaking of which...

Vote: Wickedestjr

...because it took me a bit to try and pronounce your name!

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Thesp...I don't love the random voting stage. It is the norm here but, far from my favourite part of the game.
Speaking of which...

Vote: Wickedestjr

...because it took me a bit to try and pronounce your name!

I'm curious - if you acknowledge it as the norm, don't like it, and see a viable alternative presented before you, why then accept the norm?

This is because the only time (here) I've tried not randomly voting, I got jumped all over! I did not really want a repeat of that.

[MiteyMouse]

Mitey mouse, do you work at chuckey cheese's?

No...I'm not sure if I should take that as a compliment or an insult...hehhee

Also tracker...when you are posting something to the mod, it is pretty standard to bold it so that you can be sure that they saw it.

[MiteyMouse]

So,

unvote

since tracker is leaving.

y halo thar Boxman.

Boxman, who's your scumbuddy?

If I remember correctly, it's this "Thesp" fellow.

So you've basically claimed scum here. Any reason we shouldn't string you up now?

That "y halo thar" always makes me giggle Papa!

As to the meat of this post, I took that as a joke. This would be a very short game if the Scum came out so easily.

[MiteyMouse]

@tracker - You say you've only played mafia twice. Not that I think this will happen, but if we were to decide to lynch you because nobody seemed scummy and we knew you were inexperienced, what would you say in reply?

This question really bothers me! Why would we look at lynching someone based on experience in a

NEWBIE

game? That would be perhaps, the least Pro Town thing we could possibly do.

Papa...I was just giving my take on the comment from Boxman. I wasn't answering for him at all.

I think that it would be interesting to find out how many games (if any) we have all played. Could everyone please answer that?

I have played in...well...a lot. I am an IC here but, not for this game.

[MiteyMouse]

Papa...I have played quite a few of the newbie games here and have to say that the pace on this one is one of the fastest that I've seen.

As to a mass claim, I don't think that's a good idea at this point. It might be something to look into later in the game but, right now, all it will do is out our roles and we don't want that at all!

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Papa...I was just giving my take on the comment from Boxman. I wasn't answering for him at all.

ORLY? Because it sure looks like you said out a nice little excuse that he could just pick up and say "yeah this".

Not to get all meta here but, you of all people know that I'm not fond of in thread coaching...that is what you are implying, is it not? And if I was to coach in thread, it would be far more subtle...again, you know this!

[MiteyMouse]

In your opinion, which is more valuable:
- A player defending against an attack directly against him/her; or
- A player defending another player.

I think that they both have value. A player defending themselves...that is a big part of the game and if someone didn't defend themselves, well then, they're not really playing are they?
A player defending someone else...well, this could be considered buddying (or cuddling as I like to call it) or it could be pointing out something that the accuser did not see.

Both get the players talking and that is always a good thing!

[MiteyMouse]

Darkstrike, I did not realize that you had pointed some suspicion on me for being late to confirm. This is simple, if you look at my first post in this game, it is asking the Mod to check his PMs. I hadn't gotten my PM and therefore could not confirm my role in the game. I got a Prod and that is how I knew the game had started. I sent a PM saying that I had not gotten my role yet and he sent it to me. After I got my PM, I confirmed that I had gotten it.

[MiteyMouse]

First, arguing with Mitey sucks.

Second, help me see the value of defending? I'm missing it.

Also, you've hit on one concern, erm, cuddling. (lol) But you missed another, that of an experienced partner defending a less experienced one.

Yeah...I don't like fighting with you either my friend...but it's part of the fun of the game!

Defending (though I'm not sure that that is what I did here) could help to point out something that the accuser did not see. The joke part of his post seemed pretty obvious... You've played with me before, do you really think that if I were Scum with Boxman, that I would tip my hand this early and give us both away?

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Tracker...I didn't really take offence. I have been asked way worse in games...hehehe!

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AGar...a FOS means Finger of suspicion. It is a way of saying that you suspect someone strongly but, not as strong as a vote.

[MiteyMouse]

Hey guys! I'm here and reading.

I was asked the question about Papa Zito and my view of his Scumminess. I'm not really sure yet. He seems to like quick games and is a better player than most newbies. I don't have a good read on him as of yet.

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Papa...you took one little bit out of context there. I did notice that you kept the part about being a good player in though...hehehehe!

On a serious not though, I'm going to the dentist in a few minutes and then I will come back and do a better read.

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Tracker...not answering questions is not necessarily a Scum tell to me. That is if it happens once. I think giving someone the benefit of the doubt is good and perhaps they didn't see the question. That being said, if they are not answering any questions and questions have been pointed out to them the it is not a Pro Tiwn thing to me...

Oh...MiteyMouse is a she!

[MiteyMouse]

Hey Darkstrike! Nice work on that big post! You have been doing your homework! Now, I don't agree entirely on your assessment though. For example, you have me as Scum and I know I'm not. Now, you have me and several others as not contributing much to the game but, of these several others it's just myself and IH that you think are Scum. Why is this? Now, not that I'm breadcrumbing or hinting in any way but, there are other reasons to not show your hand too much in this game. Think on that!

[MiteyMouse]

Hey Darkstrike! Nice work on that big post! You have been doing your homework! Now, I don't agree entirely on your assessment though. For example, you have me as Scum and I know I'm not. Now, you have me and several others as not contributing much to the game but, of these several others it's just myself and IH that you think are Scum. Why is this? Now, not that I'm breadcrumbing or hinting in any way but, there are other reasons to not show your hand too much in this game. Think on that!

This post interests me. It didn't at the time, but it interests me now.

Why is that? I cannot address accusations that aren't voiced.

[MiteyMouse]

the talk of breadcrumbing, the hinting at a power role being a good reason to stay out of it...

there could be a few explanations, but it looks like either you coached Indigo, or (more likely) he read this and thought that it is a good excuse.

Coaching?!? Perhaps your second explaination but, coaching? You posted something about me, I defended and I get accused of coaching?

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Well IH...You asked about your anti-Town behaviour. I have thought that your play was hiding something. The problem with this type of play is that hiding something can either be Scum or a power role. The problem that we have now, is if you are the Cop, you are all but useless now....and that sucks. If we are in the setup with the roleblocker than you may survive the Night, but, with no investigation. Any other set up, you are dead.

Now you claiming at this point is beneficial simply for the fact that, if you are the real Cop, then we should not do the Scum work for them....a living Townie is better than a dead one. I'm apt to believe you for now since, there has not been a counter claim and I'd prefer not to kill a power role at this point...even if we're not positive that you are the role that you say you are.

@Tracker...no worries about the gender. It happens at least once per game that I play.

@Papa...I'm really reluctant to think in pairs before one person flips Scum. I have started a new strategy in the las little while and that is to look at more who I think is most likely Town as opposed to who is most likely Scum. Unless, something very Anti-Town jumps out at me. I'm not sure how successful it will be in a small game like this but, right now, out of 9 of us, there are 4 that I think arre more likely Town than Scum.

AGar, Wicked and Boxman are all not on my list of more likely Town.

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@Papa...[1]I'm really reluctant to think in pairs before one person flips Scum. I have started a new strategy in the las little while and that is to look at more who I think is most likely Town as opposed to who is most likely Scum. Unless, something very Anti-Town jumps out at me. I'm not sure how successful it will be in a small game like this but, [2]right now, out of 9 of us, there are 4 that I think arre more likely Town than Scum.

1. You're correct. I shouldn't be doing that either. My bad.
2. So you have 5 suspects. You've named three. Who are the others?

I'd prefer to keep then under my belt for now, if you don't mind. I don't want the Scum to know my full trust list at this point in the game. At least until I get a better read in this game.

[MiteyMouse]

hmmm... i just thought of something, this game is starting to split itself into some groups, suspected scum and accusers

under the suspected theirs

Wicked, Mitey, Agar, and Box

under the accusers are

Papa, Dark, Indigo, and Thesp

what to do with this i'm not sure yet

How is it that I have fallen in amongst the 3 people that I have named as possible suspects?

[MiteyMouse]

@Papa Zito - Wth? Why would you want a second player to say their role? Personally I would rather finish this day without letting mafia know all the power roles.

It is customary to claim when you're at L-1 here.

[MiteyMouse]

Okay, so basically what it comes down to is that a Wicked lynch is less risky because he's either vanilla or scum. So there's that.

I still think we should go with Box.

What is more compelling for Box as opposed to Wicked Papa?

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Wait.

You survived the night

and

you weren't roleblocked?

I understand the scepticism Papa but, this looks a bit like you are trying to cast some doubt on IH. Him being alive already puts suspicion on him but, it is WiFoM because the Scum could have kept him alive and not roleblocked him (if he is Town) to cast suspicion on him.

I am not the Cop.

[MiteyMouse]

Hiall...sorry I was away, busy week at work. Lety me read...be back shortly.

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Ok...I see I've fallen under some suspicion in here. I will try to respond to everything but, if I miss something please let me know.

Thesp...I don't love the random voting stage. It is the norm here but, far from my favourite part of the game.
Speaking of which...

Vote: Wickedestjr

...because it took me a bit to try and pronounce your name!

I'm curious - if you acknowledge it as the norm, don't like it, and see a viable alternative presented before you, why then accept the norm?

This is because the only time (here) I've tried not randomly voting, I got jumped all over! I did not really want a repeat of that.

But like Thesp said, there is an alternative for beginning the game. Why did you not use this alternative?

I believe that I already answered this and then used his idea...and thought that it was fun.

As to the meat of this post, I took that as a joke. This would be a very short game if the Scum came out so easily.

Oh dear. Mitey, why are you answering for Boxman?

Hmm... I think this is important to take into account.

Again, already answered. In your next post you quote it. I wasn't answering for him.

Papa...I was just giving my take on the comment from Boxman. I wasn't answering for him at all.

ORLY? Because it sure looks like you said out a nice little excuse that he could just pick up and say "yeah this".

Not to get all meta here but, you of all people know that I'm not fond of in thread coaching...that is what you are implying, is it not? And if I was to coach in thread, it would be far more subtle...again, you know this!

WIFOM excuse. I know that I did this as well, but I think this case is worse.

How is it worse...please explain how my actions are bad but, your use of WiFoM is ok?

In your opinion, which is more valuable:
- A player defending against an attack directly against him/her; or
- A player defending another player.

I think that they both have value. A player defending themselves...that is a big part of the game and if someone didn't defend themselves, well then, they're not really playing are they?
A player defending someone else...well, this could be considered buddying (or cuddling as I like to call it) or it could be pointing out something that the accuser did not see.

Both get the players talking and that is always a good thing!

I see this as a very safe answer to a very revealing question.

Yes it was a safe answer but, Papa was (quite obviously) implying that my defense of Boxman (though it wasn't really a defence just me stating an oponion) made me less valuable to the Town.

First, arguing with Mitey sucks.

Second, help me see the value of defending? I'm missing it.

Also, you've hit on one concern, erm, cuddling. (lol) But you missed another, that of an experienced partner defending a less experienced one.

Yeah...I don't like fighting with you either my friend...but it's part of the fun of the game!

Defending (though I'm not sure that that is what I did here) could help to point out something that the accuser did not see. The joke part of his post seemed pretty obvious... You've played with me before, do you really think that if I were Scum with Boxman, that I would tip my hand this early and give us both away?

Well, we know boxman is scum.

Yes he ws but, as I said, I would not tip my hand so early if he was my partner.

I find Mitey Mouse to be scummy.

FoS: Mitey Mouse

I would be voting for him right now if that didn't put him at L-1. He isn't contributing at all. I kind of get the feeling that he is waiting for day to end so he can make another kill. He also doesn't seem too interested in scumhunting.

I have had a busy week at work and then have wanted to spend some time with Mr. MiteyMouse when I have been home.

No...MiteyMouse is a she!

So Wicked, I see you trying your very hardest to twist my words and make me look bad, you are even asking me questions that you later quote my answers to. I'm impressed that you went back and reread right from the start to find your case on me but, you are really reaching. The Town does not need to fabricate and pad cases...we need to find Scum. Scum have to sometimes reach and twist to find cases. so...

Vote:Wickedestjr

Now, I'd love to hear IH's case on me...it's hard to defend when I don't know the accusations.

[MiteyMouse]

Hi guys...I'm so sorry...this has been my "hell week" at work and I haven't had much non work time. I'm here and catching up. I'll post shortly! Thanks for understanding!

[MiteyMouse]

For now, I believe IH. There has not been a counter claim and I'm hving no part in going after our uncountered cop at this point. Perhaps after his results come in things might be different but, for now, I'm staying away from him.

I believe that I already answered this and then used his idea...and thought that it was fun.

Can you please point out the posts where this happens, because I can't find it.

Looking back, it was not as much as I thought it was. I did answer a question and I asked one near the start of the game.

How is it worse...please explain how my actions are bad but, your use of WiFoM is ok?

Darkstrike had a theory that me and you were the scum pair because we were the last two to confirm. He accused me first though. For my defense I used WIFOM by saying that there is no knowing that the last two to confirm would be scum and that the scum could have confirmed first on purpose to make me and you look bad.

However it looked to me like you did not realize that defending boxman would make you look so bad, and it looked like when you did realize this, you said, "oh do you actually think I would of done this if I was scum". Well you could have.

I think my WIFOM excuse is ok, because I didn't really do anything scummy in the first place when darkstrike accused me. However, you defended boxman who turned out to be scum which is scummy. Then you use that WIFOM excuse of yours.

I used the WiFoM excuse before I knew he was Scum. I'm not defending this too too much as it looks bad. At the time though I did not know that he was Scum.

Yes it was a safe answer

but, Papa was (quite obviously) implying that my defense of Boxman (though it wasn't really a defence just me stating an oponion) made me less valuable to the Town.

You even admit that it is a safe answer. Papa Zito asked you which of the two you prefer, and instead you say you think they are both equally important. That did not answer the question. It struck me as if you weren't sure how to answer the question. Possibly scared you may answer incorrectly.

Well I do admit that it was safe. I do believe that both are important...though, that is now looking to turn around and be used against me.

No...MiteyMouse is a she!

Sorry about that.

No worries...happens all the time!

[MiteyMouse]

@MM - What do you think of Thesp and Darkstrike?

Thesp has been suspecting me far a while now but, I'm not really sure why. He has voted for me twice without making a case...I would love to hear the case as I cannot answer accusations that I don't know about!

Darkstrike...again voting me. I read that he thinks I'm Scummy for not changing my vote but, I'm sure that there could be a better reason for a vote but, It's not my vote.

[MiteyMouse]

In fact currently IH has the deciding vote! Its up to youuuu!

Nope...it looks like you all just lynched me.

[MiteyMouse]

Well...I guess I read the count wrong.

I'm vanilla Town.

[MiteyMouse]

I didn't move my vote yesterday as, I didn't see the need to. I'm very suspicious of Wicked and have been all game. When it came time to remove my vote, it would have been put right back onto Wicked so no need to move!

Happy Canada to my fellow Canadians!

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Papa...why is it that you are so itchy to drop the hammer on me?

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Cuz I'd like to win.

I'd feel bad for making you lose tho.

Unless you're Scum, I'm going to lose with you.
I think it might be time to look at you closer!

[MiteyMouse]

Ok...it looks like I'm going to be the target for today. I'm going to take a closer look at Papa and Thesp. Papa because something seems off with him but, I can't quite get my finger on it and Thesp because of him voting for me on 2 Days in a row without reasoning. I'll be back shortly...
I just wanted that out there incase a hammer gets dropped on me.

[MiteyMouse]

Hi all! Wow IH...way to cut that one close...hehehe! I see where you are were going now with it and see your crumbs now. I don't have a ton of time now but, will be on tomorrow and post my cases then.

[MiteyMouse]

Hi everyone! I'm here and reading. I have the day off and will be doing some peeking at some players here but, it may take a bit.

[MiteyMouse]

I'm going to...

unvote

for now.

[MiteyMouse]

There is no need for me to withhold anything at this time as, I'm probably going to be dead by Dawn. I am the only confirmed Town and if there is a Doctor their protection should be on IH tonight. So, there is a big target on my back right now. Before you ask, with one Scum dead, IH could very well be Scum but, that would mean that I am Town. He could be the real Cop and have investigated me and I'm still Town. So, either way, I'm confirmed. Now, even with the target on my right now, I'm still going to be quite valuable for the rest of the Day...none of you have to guess whether or not you can trust me or if I have a Scummy motive...I don't!

I promised that I would go back and look back at a few players. I decided to do Thesp first. This is for a few reasons, if he is Scum then well, I'm a bit scared about how we're going to get out of this and because of his votes for me...hehehe.

So, he has been pretty quiet, even when he is posting often. He has voted with very little reasoning several times. Now with him being our IC here, I can understand why. He wants us to play and think for ourselves possibly and not have us rely too much on him. Now, that being said, we cannot get inside his head and know what he is thinking if he doesn't give us reasoning behind his actions.

Now...things get pretty interesting after the investigation result came out. Thesp goes from going after me with little reasoning to almost lamenting that I'm not Scum...it comes across as pretty emotional.

Now, Thesp, I would love to hear these compelling cases please!

On to my next one...be back soon!

[MiteyMouse]

Now...

Papa Zito

Papa is a mystery to me and that scares me as, I've seen him as Scum. If he's our Scum we are going to have to work hard to get him.

I had a very Town read on him very early on in the game. He was questioning and keeping the conversation moving. A lot of fluff but, a lot of content as well so the fluff is forgiven!

Now post 32 and 33 (in isolation) really strike me...let me quote them.

Papa Zito's Player-by-Player #1

AGar - Notta. Zero. Nothing.
Boxman - Jokingly claimed scum. (lulz) Has been casually following the crowd.
Darkstrike_11 - Has prodded several people. Townish vibe.
Indigo Heron - Self-announced lurker.
MiteyMouse - Didn't like the Boxman defense, or the WIFOM defense.
Thesp - Townish read. Problem is I'm completely outclassed here.
tracker - On vacation, apparently.
Wickedestjr - Attacks on me were terrible.

This sucks. I have too many scummy reads.

Wake up, plz.

Now most of this is pro Town but the part about Thesp is odd to me. If you are Town and so is he then how are you outclassed Papa? If you are on the same team and you think that he's Town then you are not in competition.

FoS: AGar and Boxman

They are both going with the flow, and aren't contributing. I don't like this.

Dude, it's Day 1. It's too early to bus.

This is a pre emptive defence to me. This is funny to me because post 55 in isolation is Papa's big post on Boxman. Did you bus Box Papa?

^^Goldmine post.

1. Scum already know which two setups are valid, by either being two goons or a goon and a roleblocker. So fail on that point.
2. Breadcrumbs can just as easily be left by scum for a future claim.
3. Soft claiming sucks.
4. You're admitting to playing anti-town on purpose.
5. Setting up future lynches is bad bad bad.

Why are you trying to play "devil's advocate" here Papa? Do you not believe him or are you trying to plant doubt? You have several posts that point to you thinking that IH is not the real Cop...why is this?

[MiteyMouse]

Now, I say we drag this Day out as long as we can. What do we think?

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Papa is a mystery to me and that scares me as, I've seen him as Scum. If he's our Scum we are going to have to work hard to get him.

How is his play compared to his play in that game?

Papa is a really good Scum. He seems to play the same if he is Town or Scum. I have played with him as both (in finished games)...it's terribly frustrating!

[MiteyMouse]

Wicked...the IC is an "Inexperienced Challenged" player. Basically, it is an experienced person that is here to help the newer players learn the basics of the game.

The yellow table has nothing to do with my read on Papa. I have made it pretty clear that Papa is one of my top 2 suspects....

[MiteyMouse]

@ Mod. I'm going to be L/VA from Tuesday until Sunday. I will not have any access to the internet. I would prefer not to be replaced but, do as you see fit.

[MiteyMouse]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and

Vote: Papa Zito

My case on him is earlier in the thread.

[MiteyMouse]

How is it Scummy Papa? I made a case and then voted. That is the point of the game is it not...or part of it anyways.

[MiteyMouse]

I have been thinking about this and I'm going to move my vote. If Papa is the Scum then we're going to have some trouble getting him but, he knows I'm watching...keep ths in mind if I'm the one to go tonight (which is pretty likely).

Unvote
Vote: Thesp

Remember that I'm L/VA until Sunday...have a good week everyone!

[MiteyMouse]

Well...colour me shocked. I was sure that I was going to start toDay dead.

[MiteyMouse]

I've been thinking...I can only really touch on it tonight but, hope to go into more of it tomorrow. I think that the Night kill choice was odd to say the least. We have IH has claimed Cop and did not die. He confirmed me and I did not die. The Scum know the set up in part. Now when IH came out perhaps they have confirmation of what the set up is. So, this leads me to believe that we have a role blocker and a doctor as well as IH.

Let me explain...logically, IH or I should have died last Night. I can understand leaving IH alive to create some suspicion but, not me...I'm confirmed Town and will be nothing but a thorn in Scum's side at this point. Unless they thought that I could have been protected and decided to stay away from both IH and I.

I'm going to have to think more on this....

[MiteyMouse]

I'm back to complete my thoughts from yesterday.

I will admit that it is possible that the Scum left may have been hoping that someone would be thinking about this the way that I currently am so, I may just be playing into their hands however, I think it's important to at least look at the possibility of the role blocker/Cop and Doctor scenario.

I'm looking at reasons that I would still be alive and a Doctor in the game seems the most likely.

I'm not sure if it's time for a claim as, we may be going into another Night phase but, it might be nice to have 3 of us in the confirmed/semi confirmed pile.

[MiteyMouse]

IH...I was wondering, when you got the result for me, did you get my role and alignment or just the alignment? Can you tell me what my role is as well please?

[MiteyMouse]

It told me your alignment; not your role. Since when are cops told of the player's role?

I wasn't sure...I've never played a Cop here. The other places that I play, we are usually given alignment and role.

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Dark...I wasn'y sure if the Cop would have been given my role as well. It was my way to either confirm or disconfirm IH. Being that he says that he was not given any role and I don't know what results a Cop would get here, it's not valid.

I'm for a mass claim at this point. I think that Thesp is for it at this point...everyone else?

[MiteyMouse]

I'm fine with that Thesp.

[MiteyMouse]

I was actually going to suggest that I go last but, then read back and saw that I have already claimed so, no need for the dramatics...hehehe!

[MiteyMouse]

So are we going to wait to hear what AGar says or do we want to start this mass claim?

[MiteyMouse]

Ok...I'm Vanilla Town.

You next Thesp...

[MiteyMouse]

So the next claim is goig to be pretty big here....I'm patiently awaiting it...hehehe!

[MiteyMouse]

Because I suspected him more.

Now, this is very interesting. There is no Doctor. Why then were IH and I kept alive?

[MiteyMouse]

Here's my take on things. This may be long and rambly so please, bear with me.

The more experienced players here would have known that there probably would be a mass claim at some point. Keeping myself and IH alive could be a few things, the Scum knowing that there would be a mass claim and that would implicate IH or thinking that there would not be a mass claim. If this assumption was made then it was probably one of our Newbs (newbs meant in the nicest way possible) as the more experienced players know that a nearing end of game mass claim is pretty standard practice in the newbie games.

I don't understand the Scum taking out Papa at all. I should have been the one to go and then there would be 5 possible Scum. Leaving me alive makes it 4 and one confirmed Town. The Scum would have known that there was not a Doctor. I mean if IH is telling the truth than there would have been no roleblocker and if he is lying then he is Scum. Either way there is not a Doctor. Keeping me here was a dumb move to say the least.

[MiteyMouse]

Actually, I investigated Papa, so it would've been 3 scum choices, and 3 confirmed Townies (in my book).

@Darkstrike: I meant LyLO on Day 4. I would also like to vote for Thesp on the basis of my instinct, but that simply isn't enough, right?

Except I would have been dead...so only 2 to you and 1 for the rest of the players.

[MiteyMouse]

Hmmm...this doesn't strike me as something that a more experienced player would do. A Scum with some experience would know the danger of leaving a confirmed Town and a potential cop alive. Now, this could be a game of WiFoM but, it seems like a newbie move o me.

Dark...we are in a position here and you seem pretty sure that AGar is Town. Why is this?

[MiteyMouse]

Image...I protected Nacho because he and seemed to be thinking along the same lines. It was not really good reasoning and I admit that but, it's what I did.

Now, I don't want another no lynch. So, I'm going to

unvote vote:Nachomamma

[MiteyMouse]

Oh god...sorry wrong game!

[MiteyMouse]

I have no intention of dropping a hammer. We need time and lots of it. I'm going to be super open with my thoughts here as, I have nothing to hide and a target on my back.

Right now, I'm apt to believe IH. Let me explain...if he was Scum and a roleblocker, it would have taken some pretty big balls to claim investigator on Day 1. He would have had no idea if there even was a real Cop and it would have been writing his eventual death certificate if there was indeed a Cop as, if there was a real Cop, they would have come out eventually and when one goes if they didn't flip Scum, the other would be right behind!

Now Thesp...the choices that the Scum have made seem really newbie. I don't think that Thesp (or any experienced player really) would have made some of these choices. Keeping the confirmed Town and the potential Cop alive is a huge risk and it doesn't seem plausable for our IC to have done this.

Dark...his trust for AGar is alarming to me. I know that he has reasons for this and all but, I know that I'm not ruling any of you out as the Scum at this point.

AGar...this really is the hardest read for me...I'm going to have to go back and read him in isolation.

Now, I just want to say that I think that the after party for this game is going to be good. I think that whoever is the Scum has a lot to learn and I look forward to pointing out some of their mistakes...

[MiteyMouse]

Right now, I'm apt to believe IH. Let me explain...if he was Scum and a roleblocker, it would have taken some pretty big balls to claim investigator on Day 1. He would have had no idea if there even was a real Cop and it would have been writing his eventual death certificate if there was indeed a Cop as, if there was a real Cop, they would have come out eventually and when one goes if they didn't flip Scum, the other would be right behind!

I would think that if he claimed townie, he would have been lynched, or there is a significant chance he would have been lynched. (It sure looked it at the time.) I think there was a significant

incentive

to claiming cop when IH did - it draws out the real one as well (if there is one).

Yeah but, that would be almost a guarenteed loss for the Scum. Boxman had too much heat to carry the game alone and if there was a real Cop, it would have been game over for IH. That plan would have been way too risky in this circumstance. It would have been a solid plan had the other Scum had little to no heat on them. Logically it would have been too risky...at least in my oponion.

[MiteyMouse]

Right now, I'm apt to believe IH. Let me explain...if he was Scum and a roleblocker, it would have taken some pretty big balls to claim investigator on Day 1. He would have had no idea if there even was a real Cop and it would have been writing his eventual death certificate if there was indeed a Cop as, if there was a real Cop, they would have come out eventually and when one goes if they didn't flip Scum, the other would be right behind!

I would think that if he claimed townie, he would have been lynched, or there is a significant chance he would have been lynched. (It sure looked it at the time.) I think there was a significant

incentive

to claiming cop when IH did - it draws out the real one as well (if there is one).

Yeah but, that would be almost a guarenteed loss for the Scum. Boxman had too much heat to carry the game alone and if there was a real Cop, it would have been game over for IH. That plan would have been way too risky in this circumstance. It would have been a solid plan had the other Scum had little to no heat on them. Logically it would have been too risky...at least in my oponion.

[MiteyMouse]

I'd like to weigh in here boys. We do have a confirmed Scum...Boxman was a Scum! That is significant and we are doing well here. We also have a confirmed Town and that is also a huge plus to the Town team! You may call me "mindlessly optimistic" but, this is one of the best positions I've been in as Town in a newbie game!

Keep your chins up Town...there are 4 of us and one of them....

[MiteyMouse]

IH...we wanted to confirm the set up. We actually needed to because without a Doctor, you and I being alive doesn't make any sense. Sometimes a mass claim does muddy the waters but, in this case it was necessary information. And I don't understand what you mean by too newbie to be played by a newbie. If it's not one of our newbs then you are right back into the suspicion pool...to me the un newbs are you, Thesp and myself (the IC and SEs for this game). We all know that I'm not the Scum.

Agar...sorry about your schedule...that really stinks. I don't understand why everyone didn't like the mass claim. It did give us information...important information. There is not a doctor...that is huge. We need to hear more from you...now is not the time to hide if you are Town!

Dark...the same goes for you. If you are Town, we need you right now. I'm lead to believe that you believe that either Thesp or IH is the last Scum. Do you really think that I'm going to be able to get either one of them on my own here?

Thesp...I don't have a ton to say about you right yet but, didn't want you to feel left out...so hi Thesp...hehehe!

Now as to the issue of the mass claim. We got information and the more informed we are the better it is for us. We know that someone lied and we knew going in that someone was going to. The smartest thing that the Scum could have done in this case was to claim doctor and they didn't. This still makes me think it was one of our newer guys...who both seem to have gone into hiding. Or IH...he can't claim 2 roles at once right?

[MiteyMouse]

If we have a Doctor, he needs to come forward now. Him staying hidden is adding suspicion to our potential Cop. This could be taken off pretty much immediately if he comes forward. He will die overNight in all probabality but, that will take us into the Day with 2 confirmed Town players...possibly 3. This would win us the game without doubt.

[MiteyMouse]

Oh my Dark...you were so worth waiting for. Your most recent post may perhaps be the most interesting this game!

So, you believe that Agar is the doctor and yet you say that if you were Scum, you would have taken out IH on Night 1. Now this is paraphrased but, this is so interesting to me.

First off, how could you have taken out IH on Night 1? One would naturally assume that the doctor would be protecting him...that is, after all, the doctor's job. Protect the Townies and it would have been his obligation to protect the claimed Cop. Not to do so would have been silly.

Secondly, you have insinuated with this statement that you believe IH. Why else, would you want to take him out on Night 1? So all the Thesp vs IH that you have been doing seems like a big show to me.

Now, probably the most interesting to me is that you still believe that there is a doctor even after the mass claim. Why is this? I think with the last 2 points you are leaking PIS (perfect information syndrome).

Of course the Scum would have known on Day 1, after IH claimed, what the set up was. With you still believing there is a doctor, I believe that you are a roleblocker.

Me and mitey seem to have a differing opinion on the nightkills. If I were the scum I would have killed IH Night one. THat makes me think that keeping him alive must be part of a clever plan, same with mitey. However MM thinks its more a newbie mistake. Again not sure what to think. Are we looking at veteran scheming or rookie mistakes?

You are the only one to have fallen into my little trap here. You see, we all like to defend our actions and like to think that we have made good decisions. I have dropped something along the lines of saying that the Scum is a newbie, in every post I made today...waiting for the Scum to get angry and defend himself. I'm sorry to have been sneaky with this and will make my appologies at the after party. You not only have defended the Scum but, called him clever. This is pretty telling to me.

Vote: Darkstrike

[MiteyMouse]

You are the only one to have fallen into my little trap here. You see, we all like to defend our actions and like to think that we have made good decisions. I have dropped something along the lines of saying that the Scum is a newbie, in every post I made today...waiting for the Scum to get angry and defend himself. I'm sorry to have been sneaky with this and will make my appologies at the after party. You not only have defended the Scum but, called him clever. This is pretty telling to me.

Vote: Darkstrike

So wait, by saying he thinks this is a possibly clever play by an experienced player rather than a newbie mistake, he is telling scum? I don't buy that one bit. I know you're confirmed town, but that's still a pretty bold stretch in my opinion.

Did you read the rest of my post? He's leaking PIS all over the place!

[MiteyMouse]

Dark...I didn't think that there was a Doctor after the claim. You are putting words into my mouth. I said once that if there was a Doctor that they needed to come forward right away but, that was after many others including yourself had mentioned that they still thought there was a doctor.

You may not have little my little trap but, your response to it is telling to me. You see, I work in the Social Services field and know from my work how easily the human ego gets bruised.

Now, all else aside, your post still says to me that you believe IH's claim. So, why all the theatrics with the Thesp vs IH earlier? On top of that, you believe me and AGar...you trust an awful lot of people to have unvoted the only person that you don't believe at this point.

As to the issue of me understanding the Scum decisions in this game. The short answer is that I don't get them at all. Leaving a confirmed Town and a potential Cop alive doesn't make any sense to me at all...and taking Papa out is just odd to me. I did not believe that he was Town and he could have been a lynch candidate pretty easily. Well, at least easier than me.

Oh and the after party...that is always my favourite part of games! I'm going on a cookie baking extravaganza today...maybe I'll bring some for you to the after party!

[MiteyMouse]

Dark...I didn't think that there was a Doctor after the claim. You are putting words into my mouth. I said once that if there was a Doctor that they needed to come forward right away but, that was after many others including yourself had mentioned that they still thought there was a doctor.

nor did I say you did. Stop putting words in

my

mouth. I just said thats where I started that line of thinking. From others calls for the doc to come forward.

You most certainly did Dark

Oh my Dark...you were so worth waiting for. Your most recent post may perhaps be the most interesting this game!

So, you believe that Agar is the doctor and yet you say that if you were Scum, you would have taken out IH on Night 1. Now this is paraphrased but, this is so interesting to me.

I did not say that I think Agar is the doctor, I said I THOUGHT he was. i.e. before the mass claim. Thats why I nominated him to claim, and why I questioned you for asking thesp before him. I had no reason to suspect there to be a doc after the massclaim until other people (read: you) started calling for the doc to come forward again!

See...right there!

As an aside, the last 2 parts of your post made me giggle...the theatrics part and the cookies.

[MiteyMouse]

Why thankyou. Although I copied the "theatrics" theatrics from the master. Remember someone shouting:

Coaching? COACHING!?

heheheee cookies

Ohhhh...touche my friend!

[MiteyMouse]

We've got a deadline that is fast approaching and making me very nervous at this point guys!

Thesp is currently in the lead and I'd be ok with his lynch, however, I think that Dark is our Scum. You will still have tomorrow to get it right if we're wrong toDay.

[MiteyMouse]

Sorry AGar...PIS is perfect Information Syndrome. Scum have more info than the Town do and they know who is on each team.

[MiteyMouse]

There have not been any unvotes since the last vote count Thesp but, I do think you are correct.

Mod: can you check the vote count for us please?
Can we also please get some prods on AGar and IH?

I still think that Dark is more likely but, if IH is alive tomorrow then I may be looking at him then...though it is likely that I won't be alive tomorrow.

The early Cop claim just doesn't make sense to me at this point...it could have been fishing for roles but, it was so ballsy so early. Especially with so much heat on Boxman.

Now, with Dark L/VA, IH MIA, and a deadline in 2 short days we have quite a bit of work to do. I'm not sure if we will even be able to get a lynch in with just the 2 of us here...we need some more people! I'm not above bribing you all with cookies to get you back!

[MiteyMouse]

I think that he probably would have been lynched but, remember that he has helped us out...he confirmed me as Town. I really don't think that he'd over look that he confirmed me, with no doctor and leave me alive. I could be being naive here but, he of all people will understand what he did there.

[MiteyMouse]

Add on to the last post...he would also understand the reprecusions of leaving a confirmed Townie alive this close to the end of the game. I am a huge liability to the Scum right now. You all know that my thoughts and actions are not coming from a Scummy place and I am the only person that can be trusted without doubt at this point in the game.

[MiteyMouse]

Ok Thesp...I see your point. We still have room for 1 mislynch and IH would be a ligimate candidate being as he's still alive. Him being away isn't making him look better in my eyes. I still think that Dark is the way to go right now though. Do you see ,my points with him at all Thesp?

[MiteyMouse]

So...are you willing to go for him toDay? Though from the looks of things it might not matter as, 2 of us cannot make a lynch happen!

[MiteyMouse]

I'm sorry...that was over dramatic. Though I really look forward to hearing from AGar and IH really soon!

[MiteyMouse]

*Sigh*
Deadline's today.

[MiteyMouse]

a tie might be good....

[MiteyMouse]

So who do you think is the Doctor IH?

I was thinking the same thing Thesp. For arguement's sake even if there was a Doctor, the Scum would not be trying to block them with a Cop floating around. This is something I've been wrestling with this whole Day. IH or I should be dead...

[MiteyMouse]

So IH...do you think I should force a tie again? Or should we let you be lynched?

[MiteyMouse]

I'd say that you should force a tie (again), but you can't ask me, I'm biased.

It simply is my word against his (and AGar's). Why are you asking me anyway, knowing that I'll say that you'll force a tie?

So why didn't you force the tie?

[MiteyMouse]

Because at this point, I trust Darkstrike more than I trust Thesp.

But a tie's a tie and it would give us time to talk.

[MiteyMouse]

It was just brought to my attention that the deadline had passed. Due to the inactives who needed prodding, I'm extending the deadline by a week. The new deadline is August 12.

I love you...meant in the most mod/player way possible!

[MiteyMouse]

Ok Thesp but, to me, it is just as possible that you or Dark is the last Scum.

[MiteyMouse]

I can agree tht dropping a hammer might not be a great idea until everyone gets back, I don't think it's wise to completely stop talking. If we do then come Monday we will only have 2 days to decide on a lynch.

[MiteyMouse]

Welcome back Dark!

[MiteyMouse]

I'm eagerly awaiting!! We can talk during Twilight...perhaps we should look at what's going to happen tomorrow if he flips Town!

[MiteyMouse]

Aww shoot! Play nice and have fun boys! See you at the after party!

[MiteyMouse]

Wow!! Kudos Agar! I was torn or Dark vs Thesp...you had us fooled!!!

I'd love to hear your reasoning on the Night actions as they confuse me...hehehe! As well as your take on the game as Scum!

This was a really good game overall and it was probably the most fun one that I've played in a really long time! This was also a really clean game and I love that. It did not get overly heated and there was a level of respect that stayed throughout the game! It doesn't happen often but, I love it when it does!!!

I'd love to hear some of Thesp's and IH's thoughts on the game as well.

[MiteyMouse]

Oh and Agar...I love, love, love your tattoo! Have you done the research into what they all mean? The reasons why those symbols were picked for each of the band members and stuff I mean...it's pretty interesting!

Oh...and I brought those cookies that I promised! Enjoy...hehehe!

[MiteyMouse]

IH...I really liked that you waited so long before revealing your investigation on me. It was a good plan.

AGar...reading your plan was like looking into a truely devilish mind! Very nice work! Your actualy game play was pretty good but, reading that you look like a Scummy mastermind...hehehe!

Now indulge me for a minute still please though. Why was Papa a better Night kill than me though? The way that the investigations worked out, it was a good plan but, a confirmed Town is a huge liability for Scum.

[MiteyMouse]

Now my thoughts here:

This group has huge potential as players! I look forward to playing with any of you again!!

I was really worried coming into this game. I had mentioned this to IH already but, seeing Thesp and IH on the list of players made me a bit nervous. You see they both have a reputation here and I was nervous about going against them. That being said, I'm so glad that they were both in this game...I think that they may be 2 of the nicest Scummers here and that makes me happy!

Boxman..nothing sucks more thn being bussed on Day 1. You took it well and got the win out of it.

Tracker...someone once told me that one of the biggest compliments as a Townie, is being Nightkilled early.

Wickedestjr...you got dug into a hole and seemed to get stuck there. Now, something that I find fairly proTown but, most find Scummy that you did...Tunnel vision. You really did get stuck on me for a big chunk of the game. Townies tend to tunnel while Scum cannot really because it looks like they are pushing too hard for a lynch.

Papa Zito..I cannot begin to describe how much I love playing with Papa! He is probably one on my favourite people on this site and I was thrilled when he came into this game!

Indigo Heron..the only thing that sucks worse than being lynched on Day 1 is being forced to claim on Day 1. You did well with it and were a definate asset to this game...for both teams apparently...hehehe!

Darkstrike...you played really well and I'd love to see how you are doing after a few more games under your belt. One thing though, I know that Thesp and IH looked so much worse than AGar but, trusting someone in this game is a bad thing. Your trust of AGar was what made me suspect you as much as I did. Just be careful with that in future.

Thesp...you are an excellent IC and a really good player. I find that the ICs in the newb games really lead the way that a game goes...even if they do not mean to. You are a respectful and fun player and that is becoming increasingly rare and even if you did not mean to, you lead us in a clean game. Thank you for that! It was a pleasure!

I have used the random question thing that you did at the start of this game in one of the games I was ICing...it didn't go as well but, it is an interesting alternative to the random votes!

If anyone wants me to look more closely at their play, I would be happy to do so. Just let me know.

[MiteyMouse]

Dark...you did not play badly at all! You played very well actually.

[MiteyMouse]

Something interesting to note here...well a few things.

This game came down to 3 people. I have only been in one other newbie game that did! Now this might not seem like a big thing but, it is pretty spectacular guys! Newbie games often get to Day 3 with 2 Scum and 3 Town alive. A game where it get's down to 3 in this queue is pretty special!

Another thing to note is that I subbed into another game and some of the newbie players were following this game (HI KIRBY!!). I was wondering how one of the players in particular knew my playstyle, so I asked him what games he was following...it was this one. Now again, that might not seem like a big deal but, having other players that aren't playing following this is pretty special.

Now, I'm not sure on the rules of this but, being as the game is over, perhaps some of the watchers can comment on it...

Khelv...is that allowed?

[MiteyMouse]

i agree thanks Khelvaster and thanks mitey for the compliment, I was wondering one other thing. would it be possible to replay this game? i mean with the roles randomly re-assigned but the same players and same format? what's everyone's thoughts on that?

I would love to but, it might be hard in this format. If someone could think of a way to do it here, I'd be game!

Oh and thank you Khelv!

[MiteyMouse]

The time you are on the site is part of your meta. People do sometimes tell when they are more likely to be on the site. Is this for an on going game Tracker?

Maybe discuss the idea with Khelv a bit to see what he says. I'm not too familiar with all the modding rules...I'm still in line to mod my first game here....hehehe!

[MiteyMouse]

Oh...if you were looking at posting that type of thing at the start of the game, I wouldn't see it as Scummy or anything.

[MiteyMouse]

Wait...was there really only 1 replacement this whole game? Now, that is something really special everyone!

[MiteyMouse]

So...we're rerunning? This should be fun...again!

[MiteyMouse]

I'm very excited for this! Hopefully it will be as fun as the first go around!

[MiteyMouse]

vote: AGar

QFT!!

[MiteyMouse]

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r is up in our new thread...hehehe!

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