Newbie 744 -- Game Over!

[Raivann]

/confirm. hi all

[Raivann]

vote: alexhans

. You're not a plate of croissants

[Raivann]

I don't follow... Explain me the joke

Not much to it, except that croissants are tasty

[Raivann]

Whatever.

I'm gonna keep my RV on alexhans for saying Whatever as a sentence.

[Raivann]

@ CntR -

I'm not buying Alex's explanation yet. Even if he fast-read the first page, he should still have seen the last post of page 1, where the mod announces that the days has started.
And even then, I'd like to know why you did fast-read, Alex.

In this post ZazieR acknowledges alex's fast-read , whilst not saying directly - alex said he "fast-read". CntR , does this fall in the same category as needing quotes?



@ alexhans -

I'd also like to know why u did "fast-read"

[Raivann]

did we vote yet?

What does this mean?

Are you referring to you and CntR voting for syndrome ?

[Raivann]

GUYS I THINK I FIGURED IT OUT! Under Zazier and KMD's name it points out that they are both mafia scum. Must be some sort of glitch in the system but good thing I was observant enough to notice this. GG Mafia, but looks like you've been figured out by detective syndrome

Wow ,nice work , good find. Syndrome gets some major townie points in my book for this. Not!
lmao

[Raivann]

lol hi?

did i really not post anything? if so, im sorrie. T-T lol
i thought i did, or maybe im too caught up in another game .. penguins and stuff -.-"

well here i am =D

Mizz either doesn't know, forgot, or doesn't care, or is mafia.
Or possably all of the above.

unvote. Vote: Mizz.Mafia

[Raivann]

I'm not going to put Miz.Mafia at L-2 just because she's a girl

I dont think L-2 is dangerous. In fact it may be the only way for us to get some solid answers in this case.

[Raivann]

Raiv, same question as Dennis. Did you think she was scum? Also, would you have been ok with lynching her at the time you voted? If Mizz was at L-1, would you have hammered? Are you still ok with your vote on Ash?

I wasn't sure at the time. I was applying pressure , i would not have hammered

I think her reaction- quitting - is scummy. So yeah i'm still happy with my vote.

KMD you've noticed townie behaviour , have you noticed any scummy ?

CntR are you scumbuddies with Ash?

[Raivann]

Why is it scummy that she quit?

First she brings up some bogus sexism arguement and she says mafiascum's too harsh then before she leaves she's like- oh yeah and school.

So to answer your question, my train of thought was- why did she really quit , is she scum?

[Raivann]

Why would she have quit as scum any more than she would as town?

good point. I guess quitting isn't a scumtell in this case, but the way she quit saying syndrome was sexist was bs.

Kmd have you ever seen quitting as a scumtell in the games you've played?

Do you think the reasons they give for quitting could be scumtells?

The reason I ask is because of the games I've read, and tried to figure out who was mafia , I've been suspicious of players who quit when they get a little pressure on them.

Raivann, seems like you were pushing pretty hard for her in the beginning and are still going for it strong through me

Trying to get an innocent out quick in the beginning?

No, I know my case is weak, but it did have the desired effect of generating some quality discussion

[Raivann]

I don't think,...I KNOW that she quit because people were accusing hear of being scum from the beginning even though she wasn't...

and

Well, like I said previously I would been leaning towards her, but like you said, it's irrelevant now.

If you were in the game would you have voted for her?

[Raivann]

When confronted against his voting, after all the confidence, he seems hesitent, and ask if anyone else has seen it happen before, and says that he has a weak case, despite acting like he knew I was scum without a shadow of a doubt previously.

actually what I said was this...

Mizz either doesn't know, forgot, or doesn't care, or is mafia.
Or possably all of the above.

Notice the words - either, or, and possably.
So this is acting like I knew you were scum without a shadow of a doubt?

Not even close!

If indeed i was convinced you were scum without a shadow of a doubt
I would post in that manner.

[Raivann]

lazy scumhunting.

[Raivann]

It would work better if we could see physical reactions, more THEN on the internets. haha

sorry for this post, not really, jk

[Raivann]

Welcome blue
had problems logging on, anyways,

I still think raviann isn't out of the water yet, until he comes up with a valid reason why he has been on the mizz/me bandwagon, and felt certain, but when confronted he says that it may be weak assumption.

Something better then.

"weak scumhunting"

Actually I'm gonna get off this wagon
You two were my top 2 suspects and CntR wasn't posting much so i was trying to get him talking.

unvote

besides misquoting me and knowing what i'm thinking, Ash's play has been alot better than Mizz's, which is why my vote was cast in the first place.

My reason is exactly the same as Ash's in #137

Ash's reasons in #137 are weak sauce
FoS:blueshadow

Vote: CntR

putting ash at L-1 , especially with his reason to get things going, was scummy.

[Raivann]

Unvote

Don't want CntR hammered before he can reply

[Raivann]

Now I vote CntR since he wanted to get this going that badly. Someone's just got to go first.

Talk about itching for a quick lynch!

Blueshadow would you have hammered if CntR was at L-1 before you voted?

[Raivann]

I believe blue would have hammered CntR if he could have, before CntR could even post. I don't like his reasoning for lynch either saying "someone's gotta go first" and I believe that blue is deserving of my vote

Are you trying to scare me?

Vote : blueshadow

boo!

[Raivann]

This is what really pinged my scumdar. Remember when he didn't vote me in fear of l-2 and scum-rushing? Now he goes and puts someone at l-1 for no reason at all! And what makes this extra scummy is this:

Kmd4390 wrote:
I see that you[cntrational] were cautious as town in Newbie 709, so I won't hold it against you.


Does that look like a cautious townie move to any of you guys? Which brings up the question: Why would cntr do this if it was already established that he acts cautious as town? Would any (cnt) rational person really think that putting someone at l-1 just to "get the game going" would help himself or the town at all?

I agree with this part of syndrome's crazy theory time. Totally forgot about that. I think the strategy of Zazie being mafia partners with CntR and bussing him could be believable later in the game, but not day 1.

Where is CntR anyways?

[Raivann]

oh yeah and welcome yellowbunny.

[Raivann]

Thanks y'all!

Yakuza san kochira te no naru hou e
Donna ni nigetemo tsukamaete ageru !

[Raivann]

I thought Zazie's signature was cool , so i did a little research, and I was right . Sweet video too.

I was expecting more out of detective syndrome Oh well i can still hope to make the next crazy theory report

I just wanted to post something saying thanks,birthday was a blast BTW,
and what the hell!, have some lyrics...

http://www.animelyrics.com/anime/higura ... hinnkn.htm

Higurashi no Naku Koro ni

When Cicadas Cry


Oni san kochira te no naru hou e
Donna ni nigetemo tsukamaete ageru

Oni-san, come here, to where my hands clap
No matter how you run away, I'll catch you


In one of the traditional Japanese children's play, the "Oni"(demon) covers his or her eyes with a blindfold, and tries to catch the other players just by the sound of their hands clapping. This line is repeatedly said by the other players to encourage the "Oni" to come and try to get them.

I replaced Oni with Yakuza(Japanese Mafia) I thought that would be more fitting.

Anyways , back to the game, I agree with yellowbunny's post 195.
My vote stays on blue.

[Raivann]

@ Zazie- Can you tell me how to look at just one player's posts in isolation?

Also, I've noticed an inconsistency in your recent posts...

@Yellowbunny
Blue replaced someone who had only one post with content. So I don't have anything on him yet.
Blue is definitly scummy for doing something he sees as scummy, and even voted someone for. And after looking at his posts, he backtracked away from Raivann (happy birthday to you BTW, Raivann )

and he also didn't answer a question

. It reminds me of Gimbo .

then in your next post...

Also, ignoring cases/questions is a major scumtell in my opinion. As far as I know, Blue hasn't done this, while CntR has (see post 167 CntR, you might also want to look at my previous post.)

Blue has done this.You even acknowedged that he didn't answer a question in your previous post.

[Raivann]

ebwop- or acknowledged* . aknowedged sounds like the priest in Princess Bride "mawwaige" haha

[Raivann]

here's my suspect list-

prob scum- CntR

neutral- Ash, syndrome, Zazie, Kmd

prob town - alex

I think CntR is scummiest by far out of all players left and he would have gotten my vote yesterday if blue wasn't asking for it with his antitown scummy posts. Ash may have hammered a little quick but I can understand.

I get a townie read from alex. His posts seem genuine and pro-town.

I think Kmd and Zazie both look protown.
@ the IC's - How do I look at 1 player's posts in isolation?

Syndrome's last post does look fishy to me though. Looks like he's bussing/distancing himself from CntR and it reads like it was planned.

[Raivann]

Ok, thanks. I got my re-read done and I feel confident in a...

Vote:CntR

For all the reasons that have been previously stated by everyone
and I'm not believing his answers today

But I still think the fact that you said Mizz was a townie, and decided to vote for me anyways. I don't think thats just trying to get the game moving along, I don't think a Town player would risk lynching someone they thing it town no matter what

I agree

I'm more cautious during the beginning of the game, but less so later on.

not buying it

Yeah I know it's L1 , sorry alex but CntR is my top suspect by far and I feel my vote is in the right place

[Raivann]

Well there was a couple I listed but since you ask...Ok I'll give more. I'm not a big fan of long posts but here goes.
It starts back in RV stage when he fos'ed instead of voting...

Just in case you wondered why I would not vote for him if he had 2 votes is that: Assuming that the first 2 voters aren't mafia and I place my vote on him, would leave him with Lynch-2, at which the scum could come and voterush him, leading to a waste of a day 1 lynch.

He doesn't want to waste day 1 lynch here. Then quickly changes to vote after called out by Zazie & Kmd then unvotes

CntR are you scumbuddies with Ash?

Cntr had been on my list early on for his fos instead of vote ,then quick change to vote just to not look suspicious, then unvote of syndrome

One player who did catch my attention is CntR. You might remember that he called Dennis out as he didn't post after his vote. Afterwards, he also saw that Mizz hadn't posted after her vote. But when she does post, he only states that he would vote her after waiting on a post (after those 3) as she pinged his scumdar. But he never stated why, and he didn't respond to her last post before she asked to be replaced.

as well as that point by Zazie.

Then when asked what he thought about Ash/Mizz...

Thought that she was mostly a lurker-ish (who could be putting up a newbie pose) player before she left, but at the moment, I feel that she might just be a confused townie.

And I just got a hunch on mizz, not much to go on, really...

Then there was this scummy post...

I want to get this going somewhere, so...

Vote:AshKetchummm

Vote: CntR
putting ash at L-1 , especially with his reason to get things going, was scummy.

Then I unvoted because of blue's vote and him saying "someones gotta go first". I got distracted by blue's posts and went for a blue lynch, which he did deserve by the way.

well, he hasn't responded and is probely hoping that some kind of distraction will come up...

Which is exactly what blue was.

syndromeofadown wrote:

This is what really pinged my scumdar. Remember when he didn't vote me in fear of l-2 and scum-rushing? Now he goes and puts someone at l-1 for no reason at all! And what makes this extra scummy is this:

Kmd4390 wrote:
I see that you[cntrational] were cautious as town in Newbie 709, so I won't hold it against you.


Does that look like a cautious townie move to any of you guys? Which brings up the question: Why would cntr do this if it was already established that he acts cautious as town? Would any (cnt) rational person really think that putting someone at l-1 just to "get the game going" would help himself or the town at all?


I agree with this part of syndrome's crazy theory time. Totally forgot about that. I think the strategy of Zazie being mafia partners with CntR and bussing him could be believable later in the game, but not day 1.

Where is CntR anyways?

syndrome made great point and i still had my eye on Cntr. Sorry cant figure out the pyramid quote thing.

I wished to put more pressure on Ash, and get more information...and I'm a very erratic person, really.

hmmm

Well I gave valid reasons to support my vote, and I really think that he is scum, and also he has made no attempt to prove that he is innocent, all he did was say that he an erratic player, and then went on to point the direction at someone else, simply because they answered a question with a question.

I agree with Ash on this but blue was posting scummy too.

Hmm...Blue is at Lynch-1 now...should we wait for him to post?

Really wanting a quick blue lynch here , scummy post. To me this post sounds like- Someone please drop the hammer! Whether it's good for the town or not.

The last to post confirm what I've been saying about CNT, not giving any valuable input, and just looking for a lynch it seems like.

I'm much more confident in a Cnt lynch then a blue lynch right now. So I'm keeping my vote on Cnt.

So as to Cntr's playstyle, we're supposed to believe he's cautious during RV stage then aggressive by voting players he doesn't suspect and erratic too, I think scum makes more sense.

1. I'm more cautious during the beginning of the game, but less so later on

like I said, not buying it.

5. That was quite a while later, my opinions changed during that period of time.

6. Like I said, I wanted to end Day 1.

He never expressed his change of opinions just voted to get things moving.
As for wanting to end day 1 and syndrome's question about yellowbunny kill I think that if CntR flips scum it could be because yellowbunny was on blue wagon not Cntr's, I dont know.

phew,
Is that enough for ya Kmd?

[Raivann]

Kmd's and SensFan's avatars would make a good couple.

[Raivann]

happy bday alex.

[Raivann]

It's almost like you're trying to draw attention away from him...

but Zazie was going after CntR pretty hard yesterday though

[Raivann]

Is CntR getting replaced?

[Raivann]

welcome knox

[Raivann]

@ Zazie-
I think your SoaD case is just as strong as my CntR case, for his not voting Cntr yesterday and for him not trying to defend himself.

I think Ash case is not as strong, because I think he just dropped the hammer too quick.

As for your post 302,

2. That vote of SoaD was during the RVS. His vote against Ash was serious. You're making a very bad comparison here as both votes have a different meaning in the game. Most players don't want to lynch somebody with a random vote. That should explain why he would be afraid of putting SoaD at L-2. There have been games where a lynch has been reached within one or two pages. And that doesn't help town. But when you think somebody is scum, you do want them lynched. Which was apparently the case with Ash.
The only thing I do agree with you is that he should have stated the reasons. Now, it could just be the case of trying to escape the suspicions. But I still believe he's innocent. It only bothers me that he left before responding

CntR first FoS'ed SoaD then Voted for him after being called out. And it was he who said that he is more cautious in the beginning. I think if scum hammered SoaD in RV stage it would be helpful to town.

So as to Cntr's playstyle, we're supposed to believe he's cautious during RV stage then aggressive by voting players he doesn't suspect and erratic too, I think scum makes more sense.

CntR wrote:
1. I'm more cautious during the beginning of the game, but less so later on

like I said, not buying it.

Which brings me to my next point

He also voted Ash at some stage just to get the game moving, again wanting to get to the next day for no reason and putting Ash at L-1 and this vote was already suss as he had been cautious at the start of the day by only FoS SoaD when he was only L-2. Why the sudden change and I’m not buying I’m more cautious at the start of the game.

hmmm who's piggybacking who here?

I've had my own ideas and have posted them.
I know I posted fluff last couple weeks but we were awaiting replacements , I had made my case and voted , and I didn't really know what else to say.
Is it scummy to agree with people?

[Raivann]

It seems ‘convenient’ that you decide to post you opinion on Zazie’s post now that I have voiced my suspicions, even though it had been days since the post and you posted in between without a comment to it.

I posted right after she asked my opinion. If I've been following or active lurking it's news to me. It seemed more like a arguement between Zazie and Kmd to me.

How can you say that your CntR case is as strong as the SoaD one when you only have two points to why SoaD was scummy? Especially when you did a large posts on reasons why CntR was scummy

Don't really understand your point here. I said Zazies case was as strong as my CntR case.

[Raivann]

Yes, but CntRational had posted early in the game, it gave me town vibes.

Which posts from CntR gave you town vibes?

[Raivann]

Charter's case against me is that I join wagons, start wagons, get off wagons, and stay on wagons. None of which is scummy, I'm just playing the game and using my vote as for who I think is most scummy.

Knox's case is that I say one liners , but one of the rules is to have fun , so Knox's case is real lame.

Charter moves into town last week and immediately goes after towns strongest players - our IC's. I find this suspicious. I don't think his counterpoints to Kmd's case are strong either. Saying- your scum I'm not gonna argue your points anymore- is a weak argument. What about my points on CntR?

Ok, just to make my point clear. I can not fathom Conspicuous Other being scum. If he was, there would be him and his buddy trying to get someone else lynched. This is not the case. This wagon has mislynch written all over it. ALL OVER IT!

Whatnow? Tunnel Vision much?

Anyway, that's all from me tonight. For now, FOS: Kmd4390, I'll take a look at some more stuff tomorrow, but if nothing pops out at me I'll bump that up to a vote.

You mean like this?

[Raivann]

I thought this might come up. If I'm scumbuddies with charter, that means I was scumbuddies with ash, and if I was scumbuddies with ash, post 319 doesn't make much sense, now does

lol, wut?

[Raivann]

Quote:

@ Zazie- Can you tell me how to look at just one player's posts in isolation?


Why Zaz and not both IC's?
Quote:
@ the IC's - How do I look at 1 player's posts in isolation?

Finally, he did ask both. Zaz hadn't answered him...

Why does everyone keep bringing up this. Kmd was V/LA when I first asked.

Anyway, Insightful post alex, except for the whole lynching me part.
You have better points against CntR and Ash than anyone else. But for some reason CntR gets a free pass after you acknowledge his scummy posts, I don't understand that one.

Your 180 on Kmd is strange too, he was all but confirmed town to you earlier. Where is Kmd anyway?

Lynches i would support:

Conspicous_other/CntR- been over it

Knox/syndrome- Zazie has strong case against him and his case against me feels forced

Charter/Ash/mizz - mainly for play of mizz/ash. Charter is strong player obviously , I'm just not sure if he's town or scum.

[Raivann]

Ok guess I'll claim then. I'm just a townie, no special powers or anything.
I'm also gonna

unvote , Vote:Knox

for Zazie's birthday present.
And he's prob scum too.

[Raivann]

I think we should build a statue in memory of charter in Town Square. That man can scumhunt, I think my scumdar is broken. Kmd had me thinkin he was town.I can't post during weekday days because of work so thats why i had to make my choice for lynch night before.

I dont think he would go after C_O that much if he was his partner either.

Kmd could have been bussing Zazie there at the end. That would explain why he felt bad , with him and Zazie being friends and all.

I just want to say I think I'm done playing newbie games after this. I played terribly and don't deserve to be an IC.

[Raivann]

sorry guys I had some major IRL. Will post w/content shortly

[Raivann]

GG all, especially charter. I thought we had a good chance of winning after we got the doctor night 1. This was my first game of mafia ever, had a real good time, see ya guys, thanks Yaw!