Newbie #706 - Oh Little Town of Damocles (Over!)

[Porkens]

two many lobsters.

/confirmed!

[Porkens]

Vote: broncofaninmd

for being the first real post without voting for someone. Who are our ICs?

[Porkens]

hmmmm L-2 (rubs belly)

Zazier: Yes!

[Porkens]

when I saw what looked like a bandwagon forming for someone else I jumped on in the hopes of living to day 2. I didn't start the bandwagon, and I didn't drop the hammer - I figured 3rd vote was a safe place to be.

You

came into the day

hoping to shed suspicion? That's scummy.

Personally, I wasn't on the edge of my seat waiting for the day to start (no offense to anyone, I'm just patient), and I'd honestly be a little surprised if other people were holding it against you.

Admitting that you voted for, basically,

whoever

just to 'live to day 2' is very scummy.

Trying to find the 'safe' way to vote is very scummy.

Vote: Ropis

[Porkens]

Sorry, I forgot to unvote;

unvote

Vote: Ropis

[Porkens]

No, it's cool ZazieR, I'm

already

voting for him, so I couldn't hammer

Ranma 1/2 was/is good but UY got me hooked

[Porkens]

"A little worried" became "Seriously concerned" when I saw I had collected afatchic's vote early on

@Porkens: Why do you think Ropis went from "a little worried" to "seriously concerned" because of afatchic's vote?

Beyond the reasons he stated? I have no idea?

[Porkens]

when he flips scum, im going to re-quote this post for you, then vote you.

Are you really that certain that he is scum?

[Porkens]

Well, certainly there have been some interesting developments. This game is evolving well, I think! Off to work for the time being, but I promise a more substantial post by the end of the day.

[Porkens]

I'm going to try hard to keep this short and readable.

First of all

unvote

I have 2 main suspects right now; but first I want to share a couple observations I've made about other players (these seemed the most pertinent, I don't want to MEGAPOST on everyone yet):

About Deuxieme Octopus not voting for Ropis “right away”

When I read 24 and 26 the first time, it didn’t really strike me as odd; it just looked like DO wasn’t quite “up to speed” when he hit the post button.

Later on, though, in 39, DO seems offended that the other players didn’t “reference” his reasoning.

42 has some serious Chest Beating (“It's worth suffering the new attention on myself for what I feel will be an entirely more productive and revealing vote.”) Not really pro-town stuff.

DO connect the dots, lalala

Post 66 DO draws a line from Epitaph to afatchic.

Post 90 draws more lines, but this time in big fat magic marker.

It’s way early to be trying to make conditional connections.

Keep them to yourself so the scum can’t use them against you.

Burning loves questions

I like questions, they get the game going, even if they come from scum. But my question was just bizarre:

@Porkens: Why do you think Ropis went from "a little worried" to "seriously concerned" because of afatchic's vote?

And some of the others were too. I expect that the questions promised in the future will be more…answerable.

The first half of 88 is weird, at best. A lot of regurgitation of what other said about ropis early in the game.

Back to Ropis

Even in a Newbie game, the Newbie Card is hard to swallow (see 38).

Also, your distinction between “suspicion” and “collecting votes” is, I’m afraid, lost on me.

84-85 blow me away: A vote on Burning Love based on reasoning provided by other people (mostly DO) and then, 3 minutes later, posting a rebuttal to this very argument.

You’re developing a pattern of doing scummy things and then trying to explain why we shouldn't think they are scummy.

Hence,

Ropis

is number 2 on my list of suspects.

Number 1 is...

afatchic, for playing both sides!

57: Anyway... FOS Burning love, i would vote you, but im almost positive that we already caught our first scum, so no need to change votes.

61: when he flips scum, im going to re-quote this post for you, then vote you.

68: not possitive, but right now he sure seems like it. and nothing he has done has implied anything different.

72: im taking everyone else into account, but ropis is the only one doing much scummy.

(let me refer you back to 57): Anyway... FOS Burning love, i would vote you, but im almost positive that we already caught our first scum, so no need to change votes.

2.5 apology posts by Ropis and a bit of flack from other players later…

92: UNVOTE. im going to give Ropis a chance. i think it will become real clear what he is if he keeps playing this newbishly. so i think we stretch the day out and maybe find a better lynch.

1 new post by Ropis (a scummy connect-the-dots post) gets…

95: HOS ROPIS. there shouldn't be an.... if i turn up town, you should know that you are going to turn up town.

notice there is no re-vote here

Was that

T

oo

L

ong

,

so you

D

idn't

R

ead it? Ok, I will Sum Up!

1. DO strikes me as suspicious, but not scummy, yet.
2. Burning Love does not give me a warm, fuzzy feeling in my tum-tum.
3. Ropis is probably newb scum.
4. Afatchic has been playing both sides of the Ropis issue HARD and is my #1 suspect to be a scum-ball.

vote: afatchic

[Porkens]

I voted on him strictly for voting on me for not voting on the first post.

How's that case holding up?

[Porkens]

I still like my vote on afatchic.

At a glance, I think the Epitaph case has merit on it's own, as well.

If someone

other

than afatchic would like me to answer this question, I will, but I think the answers are fairly self-evident in my post 100.

can you explain how i am playing both sides of the Ropis issue.

[Porkens]

Well, there are certainly more than one scum, afatchic.

[Porkens]

I'd have to be a fool to leave my vote on a claimed doctor who hasn't been counterclaimed.

Read the setup again and tell me what's wrong with this statement.

nicely done for any of you that didn't realize i was hinting a power role every time i replied to one of your posts.

Please quote and point out these breadcrumbs (hints).

[Porkens]

I could be wrong about this (I don't think I am) but neither robust cryptography nor stegasorusography are things that your average player will do.

To put it another way, I don't think doing something like;

D

on't

O

verestimate

C

areful

T

hinking

O

r

R

epublicans. would fall anywhere near into one of those catagories.

Now, I still don't know what kind of "hints" or clues afatchic thinks we all shouldn't have missed.

And yes, there's a 50% chance that there is no doctor, at all, in this game. That's what I meant. Pretty good looking gamble if your scum stuck at L-1 (You might at least get the real doc to come out)

Deciding whether or not the scum will kill afatchic if we don't is up to the scum. There would be value in either play.

The next step here is proof of these "clues".

...?

[Porkens]

keep it up, guys, I'll read when I get done with work.

unvote

for now, but that doesn't mean I believe the claim, just a precaution against madness.

[Porkens]

Post-Claim

First of all, some basic reads on the key events;

1. Claiming at L-1 isn't, by itself, scummy.
2. We can't assume what the scum will do, and we shouldn't make such assumptions out-loud.
3. If afatchic is alive tomorrow morning, that by itself tells us nothing new about his alignment.

Now for some of the recent posts;

Afatchic:

1. Your hints were nothing that could convince me to lay off or give me the idea that you were a PR.
2. In 180 you say;

"if we do have a cop, i will just be roleblocked, then they can keep me alive. if we don't have a cop i would still expect for them to frame me and take a free kill and let the town try to lynch me tomorrow.”

--How would the scum know if we have a cop at this point?

3.

As an IC, how can you not point out set-up d, in which there is a doc but no cop?

4. 207 hahahha that’s some awesome WIFOM, I approve (no, really, I do).

lobstermania:

1. You've gone from wanting him to die, regardless of what happens in night 1, to “not buying it” and wanting him dead now. You just want him dead, I take it, regardless of what else happens.
2. I hate no-lynches, because it gives all the power to the scum.
3. I think all three points at the top of this post could be directed at you, specifically, here. Your recent arguments have been pretty off-target. Intentionally or not, I can’t tell.

DO:

1. About the whole code thing; In general, it’s not a good idea to try to second-guess the mod.
2. You kind of miss the mark with “there’s no reason not to believe his claim," there is reason not to believe his claim, but there's no reason to hang him for his claim.
3. In general, I’ve found you pro-town since the claim.

Ropis:

1. Wow, good post in 175.
2. Interesting theory with the math, but having a *real* doc claim doesn’t tell the scum that there is a cop in play; look at setup d.
3. I agree also with 200.
4. 214; God, who put the logic stick up your butt?

Zaz:

1. Nothing wrong with what you've said recently.

Epitaph:

1. As I said before; 166 is bad logic.
2. 168 doesn’t inspire me with confidence.
3. 172, I don’t think you’re an idiot, so please stop posting like one! 4. 181; “for some reason” isn’t a good reason. Scumtell.
5. 187; “What’s so hard to believe about the claim”? Rly? How, exactly, will we

know

if he’s lying tomorrow?
6. You are, or at least are playing like you are,

SCUM.

Broncofaninmd:

1. Oh, there you are!
2. You say we lynch him and get this question mark off our hands now.

--Why not scumhunt, and hopefully lynch, the

other

scum?

3. In 189 you say “I’m not buying it either.”

--So which is it; Do you want to lynch him because he’s a “question mark” or because you think he’s scum? You don’t really care, because you are…

4.

SCUM

5. Attacking everyone.
6. So, by virtue of being at L-1 for a few hours, he MUST be scum? That’s how your acting.
7. 220 im not sure, distancing from epitaph?

So there you go.

1. One of or Both of Epitaph and Broncofaninmd are most likely scum

at this point

, according to me.

2. afatchic, meh, I’m actually leaning towards believing his claim. MASTERFUL WIFOM with the “I would have claimed cop” bit, if your scum

3. BurningLove doesn’t look like he’s been posting anywhere on the site recently, he may have alts, I don’t know.

Vote: Broncofaninmd

With a strong

FoS: Epitaph

And a slightly weaker one on

FoS: Lobstermania

(P.S. I really had to think about which of Broncofan or Epitaph to vote for. Both of them have been really scummy and/or wrongheaded since the claim, but the “lets lynch him to get him out of the way or because he’s lying or whatever, lets just lynch him” from Bronco put the whole thing over the edge.)

[Porkens]

--How would the scum know if we have a cop at this point?
3. As an IC, how can you not point out set-up d, in which there is a doc but no cop?

Ah, never mind, I just realized how the scum would know I retract these points.

[Porkens]

Porkens:
Prior to this last post she hadn’t really posted to much of her own thoughts and seemed to ride the fence a while. Going down on my list though…

Ride the fence? On who?!

Hadn't posted my own thoughts? What about post 100?

She?

Going on your list? Why?

Oh, and:

Never said lynch ropis.

Bullshit:

Yeah my vote just changed to serious on Ropis for putting someone at L-2 about ten posts into the game.

Anyway... FOS Burning love, i would vote you, but im almost positive that we already caught our first scum, so no need to change votes.

[Porkens]

afatchic: Also, what are your thoughts on an Epitaph lynch?


broncofaninmd: Self-voting like you've done is the least pro-town thing to do. You're comment here:

I wil do you and the mafia a favor.

Tells me you're not playing to win if you are town. I'd just as soon you asked for a replacement or were lynched if you're going to be like that. Why not take a deep breath and pull it together, do what you can to help the town or, at least, show us why we should lynch someone else in stead?

[Porkens]

Bullshit:
Quote:

Yeah my vote just changed to serious on Ropis for putting someone at L-2 about ten posts into the game.

Quote:

Anyway... FOS Burning love, i would vote you, but im almost positive that we already caught our first scum, so no need to change votes.

[Porkens]

So, you're saying that

when you have a serious vote on someone

and/or

you are almost positive that they are scum

,

you don't want them lynched

?

[Porkens]

If you say so

So, thoughts on Epitaph?

[Porkens]

The reason I ask is because we agree on 2/3 of our scumlists.

Do you think self-voting right now is pro-town?

[Porkens]

i know that almost every time i have ever seen a self vote like that it comes from an aggravated townie, if that helps.

Yeah, me too

Porkens----------Neutral

Did I really just drop from #3 on your scumlist to Neutral?

[Porkens]

Overall, I get a pretty negative read from lobstermania.

The Scum are Not Robots…well, maybe sometimes:

As a refutation of afatchic’s defense:

Scum do everything. They are not robots. They cannot be predicted.

Sounds like good sound logic to me. But wait…

Right after the claim:

Hmm...If we don't lynch you on day one you will be nk-ed on night one. And if we don't lynch you and you aren't nk-ed then you really are scum. Then we will lynch you on day two.

Hypocrisy!

Later…:

I think I will stick with my original plan regarding afatchic: if he's not night killed on night one, then I will vote to lynch him on day two. There's no reason why the mafia would pass up killing the doc, unless it's a false claim and afatchic is really scum.

It keeps going. Well, that is until…

ZazieR gently brushes against lobstermania’s case and he starts…:

Ultimately I cannot predict what the scum will do during the night.

Backpedalling!

Analysis 1: The scum act like robots only when lobstermania wants them to

I might believe the claim and I might not, but it doesn’t matter I want him lynched…OR DO I?!

Starts off with a strong opinion:

I'm having a hard time believing it. A claim on page seven is a very odd move to make, and it's hard to take seriously.

Bad logic, and I don’t agree, but fine, that’s fine.

Later:

The only way for us to know if you're telling the truth is for you to die. I think your claim is the only thing keeping you alive right now.

Now, keep in mind this next is from the…

Same post:

But after some thought and re-reading, I'm not buying it.

So, lobstermania doesn’t buy the claim; he does not believe the claim. However, he also doesn’t care whether the claim is true or not because the

only

way to find out is to see afatchic die. Therefore;

Analysis 2:

He doesn’t care if he’s lynching a townie or not.

But it don’t stop…

After being queried by Z:

As far as afatchic, I'm really torn. Of course I don't want to lynch a power role.

/

A complete 180 when pressured.

...Also day 1 no-lynches are scummy.

The Case

1. Hypocrisy!
2. Backpedalling!
3. A complete 180 when pressured.
4. Day-1 no-lynch!

unvote

vote: lobstermania

[Porkens]

good morning everyone!

I'd really like to hear from our replacement, first; BL, even when he was active, left me with a bad taste in my mouth.

I'm not asking Skillit to defend BLs posts, but I would like his read on the game so far upto and including this post.

[Porkens]

questions:

Broncofaninmd: Why did you vote for yourself yesterday?

Skillit: What is your read on yesterday and so far today?

[Porkens]

I am town, and cause i didnt beleive AFC and wanted him lynched. The wagon formed and I thought i was dead meat. Lobster did the same thing i did and he payed.

AFC didn't want

who

lynched?

So the wagon formed and you gave up?

Lobster did not self-vote.

You haven't answered my question.

[Porkens]

I'd like to see what you come up with without prompting.

[Porkens]

Please show me where I said your logic was flawed.

[Porkens]

@DO’s death:

Personally, I’m glad DO isn’t around today to get picked on for quick-hammering.

@Afatchick and Broncofaninmd:

Other than

each other

, Afatchick and Broncofaninmd, who do you think is the scummiest person in the game so far? Think of it as hunting for each others’ partner.

@Everyone:

Considering all his posts so far, what are your overall reads on Skillit?

@Afatchic’s scummyness:

My gut tells me that Afatchic is telling the truth, but my brain screams scum.

@Lurkers:

Also, Zazier needs to post; She hasn’t done so since the day began, and I’m starting to have flashbacks of when she won a game as scum by sitting back and watching the town eat itself.

@Lobster’s Buttery Demise:

I’m fine with taking the glory/blame for the lobster case; although afatchic did say many of the same things before I did.

[Porkens]

@Porkens:
-what do you think of Skillit right now?

I think he's doing an admirable job replacing into a slot tainted by some pretty questionable play. From what he's posted so far, I honestly don't have a very good read on him.

-who are your top three suspects right now, considering one was lynched and showed up town, and the other one im getting a very newbish town read on.

At this moment, from the posts today and yesterday, my pick for the 2-man scumteam is:

broncofaninmd for self-voting and tunnel-vision.
and
ZazieR for A: Staying off the popular wagon but not fighting against it and B: Not posting since the hammer.

-Are you satisfied with everything that happened yesterday, and the resulting lynch? why or why not?

All things considered, I'm very satisfied with what we woke up to this morning. We got a lot of conversation early in the game, and I feel like most of the conversation was constructive and revealing. The pages of day 1 will help a lot in the future. Because the case on Lobster was just 'ok, and not great', The lynch was certainly too quick. But, the offending hammer-er is gone, and we can concentrate on the other people who made that hammer possible (and who avoided the wagon alltogether)

[Porkens]

Ok, I've heard what I need, I think, and it's time to add a new wrinkle.

:cracks knucks: Ready?

I am the Cop.

Does anyone want to counter-claim cop? I'll give you 24 hours to think it over.

[Porkens]

I have a friend that introduced mafia to me, I was talking to him about some advice. I knew this was coming but thought it would be from Ropis.

Remember that's it's a violation of the rules to talk about this game outside the thread.

Also, I don't know what kind of advice you would have gotten that assured you there was a cop in this game. As you have so often said, there was only a 50% chance that was true. Unless, of course, you are the role-blocker. Finally, why would you expect Ropis to claim cop?

When we lynch the role blocker? How do you know that there is a role blocker in the game?

This is a valid questions, I'd also like to have Afatchic answer it.

I would like an explanation why you would claim.

I'm not going to give you one at this time. Why would you need to know at this point?

[Porkens]

By Porkens accusing me of being a roleblocker can mean one of two things.
1. That he investigated AFC and he came up doc.
2. That he is scum and knows there is no cop by the setup.

Where did I accuse you of being a roleblocker?

Nope! Just a greedy noob anxious to make it day 2! It’s an interesting point though – if you thought I was the cop, then why did you protect Zazie?

Good question.

Because i thought Ropis was cop. So either Porkens has inno on me, which means we save everyone the time or trying to put together a case on me, or porkens caught a scum. im anxious to know which.

Are those the only possibilites?

Whoa. what? why did you claim, and do you have a result from last night?

I was also expecting it from ropis, i figured thats why he was so content on making it through the night.

So, do you still think Ropis could be the cop? What other situations would leave him feeling "content on making it through the night"?

Understnding the motivations of your claim would be VERY helpful Porkins. You seemed to be under no pressure - in fact Skillit and I had both declared our assumptions that you were town. We don't seem to be close to a D2 lynch yet, so provoking/avoiding a NK doesn't seem to apply, and I can't assume that you would have waited this long to tell us about a guilty result on a N1 investigation....

So, why claim?

As I said before; I'm not going to explain my motivations yet.

[Porkens]

Do you really want to call that an accusation?

[Porkens]

Why would I think you were the roleblocker, specifically, and not just scum?

[Porkens]

Ok, noted.

But; You still haven't answered the question: Why did you know a cop claim was comming?

[Porkens]

Im not saying. Two can play that game.
Either way your dead. Question is are you taking town down with you.

In your case; it's cant possibly be pro-town to withhold information like that. Please answer the question.

How can you be certain that I am going to die?

[Porkens]

If there is a doc and a role-blocker, and we hang the roleblocker, I won't die.

Change your stance.


How do you know I am confirmed?

[Porkens]

...and answer the question.

[Porkens]

I dont think you will.

You don't think I will do what?

[Porkens]

So you think I'm going to die because I'm a confirmed cop.

But You don't think I'm going to be confirmed.

And you think I'm trying to pin roleblocker on you

But you can't explain why I would think you are the roleblocker. (other than quoting a question I asked; "how you could knew there was a cop unless you were a roleblocker?)

And you

knew

there was going to be a cop claim, but you wont explain

how

you knew.

Does that about sum it up?

[Porkens]

If you want to be pro-town, give us the explanation as to either:

How did you

know

there would be a cop claim?

Why don't you want to tell us how you knew.

[Porkens]

Outstanding Questions

Because i thought Ropis was cop. So either Porkens has inno on me, which means we save everyone the time or trying to put together a case on me, or porkens caught a scum. im anxious to know which.

Are those the only possibilites?
Why didn't you protect Ropis if you though he was the cop?

Whoa. what? why did you claim, and do you have a result from last night?

I was also expecting it from ropis, i figured thats why he was so content on making it through the night.

So, do you still think Ropis could be the cop?
What other situations would leave him feeling "content on making it through the night"?

Actually, i said a knew a cop claim was coming. NEVER said i knew there was a cop.

So you thought Ropis would claim cop, but not necessarily that he was a cop. Is that right?

Everyone Else

Do you want to counter-claim my cop claim?
Contribute to the conversation; there is plenty to talk about.

20 hours left.

[Porkens]

Did you investigate AFATCHIC night one?

I wont say at this time.

[Porkens]

Still conspicuous by their absence:

Epitaph,
Zaz.

Ropis, if you know what I'm trying to accomplish here, it would help the town if you actively supported that.

Skillit; It would also be helpful if you could follow up on this statement as soon as you have some downtime from finals:

Ropis i know that i said i had more to say, and believe me it is coming

[Porkens]

Epitaph:

What advantage could I be looking for?

Why would I want you all to scramble and squabble in anticipation?

Why, if you think I'm doing it for more information, would it bother you?

Do you think I'm lying about being the cop? What advantage would that give the scum?

Are you saying that what I'm doing is suspicious?





...3 hours left.

[Porkens]

If your the doc and porkens is the cop and i get lynched day2, the town is an a peril state.

Who would you suggest lynching if, theoretically, I had an innocent report on Afatchic?

[Porkens]

So, lynching you would be your suggestion even though it wouldn't be good for the town?

[Porkens]

- this might ring better if Ropis hadn't already said it.

24 hours up.

I have a guilty report.

I'd like everyone to post and give me a list of their 3 top suspects WITH REASONS.

After that's been done, I'll reveal the scum and we'll talk about what to do next.

[Porkens]

Im not giving you a list. So put that on your notes as well.

Acting like this is detrimental to the town.

If you disagree, explain why.

If you agree, explain why you are acting this way.

[Porkens]

Why?

[Porkens]

I've already given you "what I found out," just not who.

Why don't you like 'what I'm doing here'?

[Porkens]

Porkens- why did you not investigate me last night?

I never said I didn't.

If your scum and fake claim, you could easily lead us down a one way street with your "info"

Don't loose your paranoia in this game. The only way I could lead you down a path to ruin is if you let me.

[Porkens]

Last check of the thread today:

Still waiting on lists (or refusals) from

Skillit, Ep, Zaz, Afatchic

[Porkens]

Actually im gonna pull some of the same crap that has been pulled on me. since you said you got a guilty last night,and since im town, i know you didn't investigate me. so now answer my question.... why didn't you investigate me?

I'm sorry if it frustrates you but;

I never said I didn't.

Now, I suggest you give us your list.

[Porkens]

I will when i get home and have time to.

I'll be patient.

[Porkens]

Specifically, we still need stuff from:

Skillit, Zaz, Afatchic

[Porkens]

Skillit and Zaz left.

[Porkens]

Hmmm, this might be easier than I feared....

[Porkens]

Well, if

I

were scum, I would certainly be tempted to put off my list until I'd seen everyone else's.../wifom

[Porkens]

So, since i haven't seen your list, does that mean you are scum?

hahahah, touche~. In this special case, I reserve the right to present my list last. Take it as a scumtell if you wish

[Porkens]

I'm sorry if it came of as rude, skillet.

I'm not sure what exactly you've taken offense to, but I never meant to be rude at all.

I certainly understand the pressures of finals, and I think I even said at some point "when you get a moment away from your finals" I didn't mean that sarcastically.

I think I've also already given you props for replacing into the game in this thread. But have some more; Everyone should thank you for replacing in.

This...If it helps, I meant;

Only

Skillet and Zaz

are

left.

406 and 408 (which you mention as tacky) are mostly joking.

I'll be honest and say that I didn't really understand your question to afatchic.

I think you mean "broncofaninmd" when you say "Goats," but why the name change?


On a side note; I am

absolutely

here to make friends. Good friends make good mafia Ropis!

[Porkens]

No, I'm refuting what you said about "not being here to make friends."

I suggest you go play minesweeper if that's really the case.

[Porkens]

[Porkens]

scumtell.

[Porkens]

...I still don't get it?

[Porkens]

Well, I'm assuming Zaz isn't coming back, which is really unfortunate.

Last night, I investigated Burning Love. I chose to investigate him rather than the obvious choices of Ropis, Afatchic, or Broncofanmd because a quiet scum is more dangerous than a loud scum. Actually, it was a tough choice to pick between Zaz, DO, or BL. BL won out in the end because he managed to skate through Day 1 without his vote being on anyone.

My result: Burning Love (now Skillet) is teh Mafia.

The reason I didn’t say this before is because I wanted to let the conversation and cases develop to give the other scum a chance to out his/herself.

I, naturally, have lots of ideas on how to proceed, but, this is all the 'real' information I have, so the game is once again everyone's.

[Porkens]

afatchic, I appreciate the fact that you are more active than others. But I have a very important question to ask you, especially...

Please explain what you think will happen from this point to day 4.

[Porkens]

vote: Porkens worst gambit ever.

Bwahahahhaha

[Porkens]

If skillet isn't RB, you die tonight, i get lynched tomorrow, and town is screwed.

That's pretty much the conclusion I came to as well. What I was hoping for in this long wait was someone to really screw up and give us a legitimate reason to hang them instead of you on day 3.

Well, what do the rest of you think?

[Porkens]

Why wouldn't you investigate afatchic, who was by far the biggest question mark of the day? This really befuddles me.

I just don't understand why Porkens, if he's really the cop, wouldn't investigate afatchic, who, like I said, was the biggest uncertainty the town had. I'd like to hear the explanation for that before I place any vote.

I told you all that I was inclined to believe afatchic's claim before the end of day 1. There was also the possibility that the scum might night-kill afatchic. Now, I do agree that afatchic is still a question mark, obviously.

No offense to ropis, afatchic or broncofaninmd, but I figure that if any of them are scum, we won't need a cop report to figure it out.

So, I decided to take a chance on an investigation of BL, DO, Epitaph, or Zaz.

BL was quiet,

comparatively

logical, and vocal. That would make him dangerous as scum. His first post, however, was pretty much scum garbage, and it really really bothered me that he hung back during the Lobster wagon and never actually placed a vote at any point. Everyone else, at least, managed to vote.

So, that's where we are.

[Porkens]

How were you expecting that I would "actively support" your play? If it wasn't the above then I honestly didn't see it...

I had no idea what you were thinking about or what you wanted me to think you were thinking about. I basically just wanted you to keep talking/get other people to talk in the hopes that one of you would out yourselves.

[Porkens]

Can you please add the names with the quotes, im having a hard time trying to find all the people who wrote the quotes.

Why wouldn't you investigate afatchic, who was by far the biggest question mark of the day? This really befuddles me.

I just don't understand why Porkens, if he's really the cop, wouldn't investigate afatchic, who, like I said, was the biggest uncertainty the town had. I'd like to hear the explanation for that before I place any vote.

I told you all that I was inclined to believe afatchic's claim before the end of day 1. There was also the possibility that the scum might night-kill afatchic. Now, I do agree that afatchic is still a question mark, obviously.

No offense to ropis, afatchic or broncofaninmd, but I figure that if any of them are scum, we won't need a cop report to figure it out.

So, I decided to take a chance on an investigation of BL, DO, Epitaph, or Zaz.

BL was quiet,

comparatively

logical, and vocal. That would make him dangerous as scum. His first post, however, was pretty much scum garbage, and it really really bothered me that he hung back during the Lobster wagon and never actually placed a vote at any point. Everyone else, at least, managed to vote.

So, that's where we are.

Quote:

How were you expecting that I would "actively support" your play? If it wasn't the above then I honestly didn't see it...


I had no idea what you were thinking about or what you wanted me to think you were thinking about. I basically just wanted you to keep talking/get other people to talk in the hopes that one of you would out yourselves.

How's that?

[Porkens]

Now:

In this setup, if Afatchic is really the doc, then there is a roleblocker.
We should lynch Skillet and hope that he is said roleblocker.
If Skillet is the roleblocker, Afatchic is confirmed and I will not die tonight (because Afatchic will protect me and the mafia won’t be able to stop it.) <At this point it would basically be a town-win because the scum would be forced to kill the doc, giving us another investigation.>
If Skillet is the goon, Afatchic is not confirmed (and neither am I).

Tonight:

If Afatchic is confirmed, I will investigate someone else.
If Afatchic isn’t confirmed, I will still investigate someone else.

Tomorrow:

If I’m dead, that means Skillet flipped goon, and for one reason or another, I wasn’t protected:
Possibility 1: Afatchic is the doc but got role-blocked and I was killed.
Possibility 2: Afatchic isn’t the doc (there is no roleblocker) and killed me.
(For those of you who are interested, Afatchic still would have a 50% chance to be doc, at this point.)

Either way, you’ll be left with either:
A: 3 townies, 1 doc, 1 scum
B: 4 townies, 1 fake-doc scum

My advice at that point would be to hang afatchic first (even if he is doc, he’ll be roleblocked every night).

That will take you to the classic 3 man endgame, and from there; godspeed.

Note, nowhere in any of these situations is Afatchic cleared or proven scum by the night-kills. There will be no way to know if Afatchic is telling the truth OTHER than Skillet flipping role-blocker. Remember that the scum aren’t stupid.

[Porkens]

Vote: Skillet

[Porkens]

Thanks again for replacing in Skillit, like I said before; you woulda been fine if BL had voted for *anyone*

unvote, vote: Skillit

just in case it matters.

[Porkens]

Howdy y'all. I hope you had good holidays. I was waiting for discussions before I gave my report; but I think we've lagged this game by way of holidays and hesitation enough at this point. I investigated Epitaph last night, and he is town.

confirmed

Porkens - confirmed cop
Epitaph - confirmed town

????

Ropis (dramatic shift in play between day one and day two)
Claus (predecessor lurked too much at crucial times)
broncofaninmd (extreme, hasty, and erratic playstyle)



Based on his dramatic shift in play between day one and day two, Ropis is my pick for the lynch today. What do the rest of you say?

Vote: Ropis

[Porkens]

I'm waiting to hear from other people. Good input ropis.

unvote

[Porkens]

inorite

[Porkens]

Why aren't you voting bronco?

vote broncofaninmd

[Porkens]

You know what? I think I'm fine with this

unvote
Vote Claus

[Porkens]

ps hang bronco if there is a tomorrow.

[Porkens]

Ha! Never nay-say "lynch the lurker" to me!

I wasn't sure, at all, about bronco or ropis. But when there were 2 votes on clause for 12 or whatever hours and no one hammered, I figured you'd found scum. So really, the prize goes to Ropis

I did really have fun with slow-playing my cop report. It's the first time I've done anything like that, my normal experience is like yours, ropis, just 30 second reposting of the results.

Nice work team!

See you next Tecmo!