Newbie 607 (Ruined)

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CONFIRM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Original Roll String: 1d9 (STATIC)

1 9-Sided Dice: (4) = 4

Vote KamikazeTwo

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Woah we have a FlameTiger a FlameAxe and a Flame this shit is going to get confusing.

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Unvote Vote TGC

Reasoning will come "later tonight."

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TGC it's hardly just for a reaction. You're defending others way too much. I've often seen Newbie Scum give themselves away by them asking for reasons when someone votes their scumbuddy or overreacting.

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Also Mod, can we get some prods?

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I have PMed Mr. Flay to let him know we seem to have a MIA Mod.

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Why the hell should we be getting deadlined when a third of the game needs replacing?

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PEG, you're being unreasonable. This is a newbie game; you're supposed to be teaching people not saying things like "You should know more about mafia"

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In before the Prod.

Bridgesandballoons seems protown judging by his posts.

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IH you seem to be reading too much into SypreX's posts. This wagon grew very quickly and I have the feeling there are scum on it trying to ride to an easy lynch.

I'm looking very warily at BridgesandBalloons right now for a couple of double standards he seems to have used.

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I'm looking very warily at BridgesandBalloons right now for a couple of double standards he seems to have used.

Explain please.

You called certain people out for their arguments which were practically identical to other ones that you had no particular comment on.

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Going to need to reread this game.

It's been moving so slow that I've essentially been forgetting about it.

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Results from my reread.

Early game comments from shelbyatmidnight:

After receiving a second vote:

gaah! no no, theres no need for that.

this game is kinda dead huh?

Note the no comments on the actual game, nor her getting votes. Seems like a Newbie Scum not knowing what to do when she received votes.

SpyreX's single-mindedness on shelly earlygame is odd; he also does not acknowledge any of the other things going on.

PEG is right in the PEG-Zeek argument but I can see how PEG's brashness might be taken otherwise so I'm not really suspicious of Zeek for that argument.

TGC has craplogic on IH plus a "teensy FOS" both I don't like.

SpyreX's post 101 is unsettling. Spyre, why did you switch to PEG post 101?

Bridges (replacing shelby) votes Zeek in 107 when he did not even mention Zeek in 103 when replacing in and Zeek did not post in between either.

TGC had a strong overreaction to Bridges' 103; it feels fake to me and arouses the possibility of a TGC-Bridges scumpairing.

Bridges reveals it was a gut vote in 124, why did you disregard the posts you pointed out when replacing in, mostly of TGC for a gut vote? This makes me even more wary of a Bridges-TGC pairing.

137: SpyreX ignores the case on Zeek for the case on PEG.

SpyreX fishes in 142 = MAJOR XXX

Please stop it with the summary of the games, I am going to skip over them. People already know what happened in the game, there's no need to recap it. Pointing out suspicious posts is fine though.

IH is almost certainly town.

Have no read on Gimbo/Flame nor banana/KamikazeTwo/IllustratedMan/MamaLuigi/dcorbe because they never posted anything substantial which is quite annoying as I already have 3 people I'm suspicious of. By process of elimination though, I'm guessing they are town.

Zeek's post 230 = Red flag.

233-234 are both horrible playing, regardless of BnB and Spyre's alignment. Never do that pls.

BnB's 236-240 are very incriminating. Huge backtrack + switch once he realized he messed up. First he goes from SpyreX is scum for sure when he thought it was twilight (I often see scum do that) to I am glad SpyreX didn't hammer and suddenly starts pushing on Zeek. Zeek has been inaccurate and not been playing very well this game, but I don't feel like he's scum. As IH said, there is a difference between anti-town and scum. Almost certain of BridgesandBalloons at this point. However, I doubt the partner would be PEG, I think it's TGC/Evilgorrilaz who has not said anything since replacing in.

Going to read everything after I promised to reread later tonight.

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Oh hell I'll just read it now this game has gotten a lot more active recently.

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BnB's 275-77 is entirely built on his viewpoint that PEG is not scummy, which is what the majority of his points boil down to. However the post doesn't come across from the tone of a scum.

Also, PEG needs to start posting himself as while he may not have been unhelpful and anti-town as Zeek said early game, his actions since then have been :nothelpful:. (Yes, I realize I'm being a hypocrite. Sorry.)

Gimbo how about actually reading the posts and commenting on who is scum rather than just going OMG YOU GUYS ARE POSTING A LOT. Especially considering your whining of games going so slow in all your games, when a game speeds up, how about reading the posts?

The Zeek-SpyreX connection showing strains for the first time in 293 is interesting. I didn't think it was a possible pairing at all earlier because it'd just be too blatant but that combined with me having doubts about BnB being scum on page 12 makes me feel Zeek-SpyreX is quite possible.

Asking for deadline in 296 = BAD with most of the players having not provided any real content yet.

First paragraph of dcorbe's 304 could not be more wrong.

In summary, I hate everyone right now. Except for IH <3.

Gimbo has been totally unhelpful since replacing in and Flame never said anything either.
SpyreX has made a couple of mistakes as well as could easily be scum with Zeek.
Dcorbe's posts since replacing in are all just wrong wrong wrong and the 4 people he replaced were all lurky.
BnB and shelly have dropped a lot of scumtells.
Zeek has been wrong this entire game.
PEG has been unhelpful.
IH = town.
I have been unhelpful.

Unvote Vote Evilgorrilaz

BnB on page 12 has me feeling slightly better about him (except for the deadline at the end). Meanwhile, TGC was an early game suspect for me and has gotten a freepass (along with me and PEG) by getting replaced by someone who has not posted all game.

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Nice OMGUS Gimbo

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Huh, I'm going to have to reread all of SpyreX's posts in isolation again to decide whether he is town who has suddenly been thinking through his actions from every perspective or whether he is scum looking for an easy lynch through barning and buddying.

Either way at least he's much more helpful now.

Very curious to see BnB's reaction to this.

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Hey Gimbo do you have any opinions?

Upon reflection, I have decided that Zeek/SpyreX is very much still a possibility as I have noticed some possible distancing with the "breaking up" as well as SpyreX listing Zeek 3rd on his list of scummiest when nothing else had indicated he felt Zeek scummy (classic scum distance move)

For today, honestly this town has been scummy enough that I'd be fine with almost any lynch. Preferably one of Gimbo Dcorbe and BnB but it looks like Dcorbe is the only one that is going to happen.

Anyone in my boat and would be fine with Gimbo and BnB? Just trying to see options before deadline hits.

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Eh, I generally find frustration and giving up a

newbie

town tell but dcorbe is an IC... Does anybody have a meta on dcorbe? His recent posts have been helpful and seem like he wants to stay alive, yet he's selfvoting. dcorbe, why is there a gap between your attitude and your vote?

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I find it interesting I am the only player not mentioned in SpyreX's post.

I'd rather PEG be replaced than lynched if he has limited access (which I think maybe might be what the weird priceline post was trying to say?)

But yeah, one of these three need to die today:
Evilgorrilaz
Dcorbe
BridgesandBaloons

I am thinking about Evilgorrilaz simply because Dcorbe and BnB, even if they are scum, have been helpful. Evilgorrilaz has not in any way.

Votecount:

Dcorbe [4] (Pickemgenius, SpyreX, IH, Dcorbe)
SpyreX [1] (Dcorbe)
ZeekLTK [1] (Bridges)
Pickemgenius [1] (ZeekLTK)
IH [1] (Evilgorillaz)
Evilgorillaz [1] (Shadowlurker)

Not Voting [1] (Gimbo)

5 to lynch.

2 week deadline. Which will just be the first of July to make it easy to remember. Replacing Evilgorillaz, which means I may consider a extension depending on how fast I get it.

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Day 1 is the best day for a lurker lynch.

Lurkers in endgame = always fail.

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Very happy with ting's post. Seemed pretty spot on to me.

Unvote

. Will place it before deadline.

Mod prod on dcorbe please

Done.

I too, am waiting to see what dcorbe says. Right now I am at a frustrating point where there is not a strong correlation between who is being anti-town and who I think is scum =/

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I have changed my mind on Evilgorrilaz since ting =) has entered because my main issue was that we had absolutely no read at all on him.

Currently, I am having a very hard time getting a read on Zeek. His behavior reminds me a lot of Rishi in Newbie 389 (who turned out to be protown, but was lynched after a very hard decision) and I don't really know what to make of that.

I have already posted why you worry me in this thread. Your play seems to be often opportunistic, and I have really never seen any town tells from you. In addition, shelby's posts also were weakly scummy.

Also, where did IH post V/LA? And can we get a

mod prod on Gimbo please

?

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Gimbo, how are IH's latest posts opportunistic? Specific examples please.

Please explain your thoughts on PEG some more.

Also, why do you seem so hung up on the fact that I did not post much in the early game? That's all you have had to say about me for weeks now is that I'm a hypocrtical lurker. How about actually assessing the content of my posts and my alignment rather than getting pissed off over the fact that I'm calling you out over not contributing?

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ShadowLurker - i don't see what your position in the game is and who u find scummy, thnx.

You obviously haven't been following along then.


Not going to answer Artem's question until he reads through and gives his thoughts.

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Artem's case against BnB had such confidence that I really doubt a scum would make it, especially shortly after replacing into the game.

Yet it also does nothing to alleviate dcorbe's earlier play. I still extremely don't like dcorbe's hinting at his role and I do believe that Artem should just come out and claim.

Case 1: Mafia have a roleblocker
If Artem is town, scum can just roleblock him and keep offing other people off. Then if Artem eventually comes out and does claim a power role, he essentially has nothing to support it and town is forced to make a hard decision whether to believe him or not when scum know the clear path to take.
If Artem is scum, dcorbe had a great reason to hint at a power role which was to fish for reactions to get a sense on the setup. Artem not coming out would leave the town with no information while the scum would have plenty of people's reactions. His coming out however, would force him to commit to a role without getting any input from a scumbuddy, causing him to have to guess at a good claim going purely based on reads. If he is counterclaimed, it makes our decision much easier.

Case 2: Mafia do not have a roleblocker.
If Artem is town, scum will have to make a read whether he is that one power role or not. This is the only case where Artem's not claiming is advantageous to the town.
If Artem is scum, it is the same as the case above. Scum now have reactions to search for that one power role while Artem's claiming would force him to go based on nothing but reads.

So the only case where I can see Artem not claiming as a benefit is if the scum do not have a roleblocker and Artem is town. The only problem is, we do not know if scum have a roleblocker or not and we do not know if Artem is town. While Artem's case against BnB makes me feel he is town, dcorbe's actions were very sketchy and I personally would like a claim out of Artem as it essentially guarantees he does not survive until endgame, which is a benefit if he is scum obviously, and I currently think is a benefit if he is town as it seems many players are unsure of his alignment.

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Zeek's latest posts sound a lot like he KNOWS theres a Roleblocker in the setup.

BIG FOS on Zeek

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Also, I am requesting a

force replacement on Gimbo

and have asked Mr. Flay to ban him from all future Newbie Games.

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Gimbo, do you really have such a grudge against me for w/e reason that you are doing anything to get me killed?

I feel it's pretty obvious from Gimbo's sudden imrpovement in grammar and punctuation that now he's actually playing and trying to take someone down with him.

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I just noticed a slipup Gimbo made in his story.

He claims I am a Roleblocker (trying to put a bigger target on me) but then why would he ask the cop to investigate me when the cop can clearly be blocked? I think he was setting it up so his partner, a regular Goon, can claim Doctor.

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I count this as a win

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First, I would've pushed Zeek a bit today for some wording he used that seemed like he

knew

there was a doctor as well as a cop meaning he either knows there is a scum roleblocker or a Doctor.

That would leave the nightkill at IH most likely with a roleblock of Artem.