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Who doesn't like playing mafia at all so his replace out was meaningless too. A player's activity has very little to nothing to do with alignment so I don't know why you and Shos continue to push those obviously wrong angles for the basis of any reads ever.-
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My opinion of Who is very low to begin with so I prefer to think he replaced out because he isn't a good player. I'm not discrediting your argument, I'm just telling you that regardless of the conclusion, right or wrong, you have the wrong reasons for attempting to make those conclusions. Unfortunately I've all but confirmed you as town so your alignment isn't in question anyway. You are town not because of anything Who did, mollie did, Eddie did, or you did, you are town because I blocked you, a kill happened, and you have no active ability meaning barring a strongman or ninja the scumteam would have had you made the kill. Because without that you are playing a proscum game otherwise. You come to conclusions based on things that have very little to do with the game. Your read progression is non-existent at best and all over the place at worst. You can't see the obvious IN-GAME material that should help you develop reads, you only see irrelevant things. LLD replacing out is irrelevant. Who/mollie/Eddie replacing out is irrelevant. I am genuinely concerned that scum are gonna leave the likes of you and Shos alive because you are practically blind to the happens in this thread in favor of irrelevant meta tells. I know as scum I will leave a player using meta alive every day of the week because I know their reads will be almost completely wrong.
Obviously sniping at you is not going to help, so tell me what I can do to help you.-
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But LLD's like or dislike of a game, LLD's commitment to the game, LLD's attitude to playing town vs. scum has nothing to do with her alignment and is no reason you should be basing a read on that slot! She and Greyice have plenty of actual substance with which to develop a read on and you're fixated on the ONE thing that is irrelevant concerning that slot!-
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And when confronted on your reads you shut down, and obviously that's a problem you need to do some soul-searching for. Because I'm not the only one telling you that you're wrong.-
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When confronted with the fact that I am probably wrong, I changed focus and I blocked Rhinox because I all but cleared two of my top scumreads, and he would have been playing a good scum game if scum.
But you're gonna drag the whole game down with you because you can't understand what is going on in the thread, and when confronted by that fact you get dismissive and shut everything down in favor of your rhetoric. It's pretty frustrating knowing that you will allow yourself to be obviously wrong and not think 'maybe I should reevaluate'. It's the same damn thing Shos is doing and now you're following suit.
Wisdom wrote:In post 2498, T-Bone wrote:I prefer to think he replaced out because he isn't a good player.
yeah he signed up to play team mafia just to replace out
You are not even trying to make sense
No that's a personal thing because he organized a big fucking hydra for Ceph's last game and then fucking abandoned it to me immediately at a time when I couldn't devote full-time to playing mafia. I was so glad he replaced out so I didn't have to deal with that. I didn't get so much as an apology from any of them for flaking on me.-
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No Reck, why would he do that? We should ALL be coming to the same conclusion as him all the time. I made a bunch of posts about that very thing and the only thing he could respond to is my jab at Who.-
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Man Reck, remember the last time we were a scumteam and how obvious we were together? He's got us!-
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Last team mafia. I was making a meta joke since Wisdom likes meta but it sounded better in my head.-
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Reck, what do you think of Grey's role claim?-
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In post 2526, xRECKONERx wrote:In post 2523, T-Bone wrote:Last team mafia. I was making a meta joke since Wisdom likes meta but it sounded better in my head.
Oh, Wisdom likes meta!?
He should ask mollie about whether I defend my buddies fervently and openly or bus them, then!
I don't know that he outright said it, but the basis for his LLD read is that LLD wouldn't have replaced out as scum...or something. I'm not quite sure since it's not relevant to the game state.
xRECKONERx wrote:I assumed he's claiming cop but he never actually said what he was did he.
He did. I'll go dig up the post, because I think it's a safeclaim and I would like some opinions on it.-
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In post 2431, GreyICE wrote:Yeah, it kinda doesn't work very well.
I'm the mod mistake where you don't replace players before the night ends (can I claim my role name?) and I can find out if the player has the ability to send a night action.
N1, LLD discovered that T-Bone can submit night actions.
N2, I picked the hated claim because I know 100% my role can test it, and he can't submit night actions.
To me, this sounds like a safeclaim...maybe even fake. It was common knowledge I had a night action...and it was common knowledge NotSci claimed to not have an action. So it's a safe as safeclaims go.
No, not lynching Notsci and unfortunately not lynching Wisdom, can't afford it when he is most likely town.-
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For the record makes me not want to lynch Ceph or Reck either for the same reason as Reck...-
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Yeah I know. If I'm not lynched today I already have two guaranteed votes on me (and two votes that I think are town slots to boot) tomorrow (3 if Grey is also around).
Yeaaah no way scum ever kills you Grey so don't try to play that card.-
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To be honest if not Grey I'd like to lynch like, Iece cause I'm paranoid. I need some townies to evaluate Shos for me, because it would be easy for me to add him onto my hypothetical scumteam, but I feel like my perspective on him is too tainted.
No way scum is going to kill one of their own Grey, I think you can sleep safely tonight.-
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In post 2577, Wisdom wrote:In post 2480, T-Bone wrote:Grey outted himself as scum
Tbone explain to me again how Grey's claim supposedly outs him as scum
Well other than I already think he is scum. His claim is safe as it outs no new information. We already knew I had a night action (at least a claimed one) and we already knew NotSci claimed hated with no night action. I mean maybe the NS thing was a calculated gamble (he could have had a night action and not mentioned it), but the way in which he came out with it provided no new insight to the game state. What did we learn? What did Greytown produce to help us lynch scum? I think Greyscum's goals was to prompt a mass claim and to get some town cred with his claim by giving out true information. On the surface he has given us truth with his claim whether it's his real role or a fakeclaim. You can't compare my claim to his either as they accomplished fundamentally different things. I really don't know what his accomplished as town. I know that at least I may have potentially cleared two slots as town, so that's something. With nine players, from my perspective 3 out of 6 potential lynches are scum lynches. I don't think Grey did anything protown, he was just trying to look town.-
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Also, I blocked Grey so how did he get a night 1 result anyway?-
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In post 2598, Wisdom wrote:ok. That's not the meaning of "outted himself as scum". You just find it scummy.
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In post 2603, Wisdom wrote:what? you said you blocked eddie
Goddammit, I need to pay attention to what I'm saying.-
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You said supposedly targeted and my mind went to 'he couldn't'.-
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I'm just not paying attention.-
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It's a botch all right, just not a fakeclaim or a scumclaim. I give painstaking detail to everything when I'm scum, there's no way I'd ever make a mistake like that. I might as well be confirmed town now.-
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*shrug* I'm still town, overeager to lynch greyscum, but town nonetheless. But let's get my lynch out of the way so he can be lynched tomorrow.-
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Yeah I'm having a poor game overall. My lynch is fine, if only so I won't be around for LyLo. If we were ahead I'd fight it more, but I know if I manage to dodge a third lynch and we mislynch I'll for sure be the LyLo lynch tomorrow.-
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We're at the point where we HAVE TO lynch me. But not yet. I'd appreciate an unvote so we can use the day more. Deadline is in 2 weeks.-
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Like at this point I've made too many mistakes that I can't be around for LyLo Reck. But unvote for now, and you, and only you are allowed to hammer my lynch.-
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Except scores changed on Day 1 so that can't be it.-
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In post 2628, Wisdom wrote:oh nevermind. Apparently he controls notscience's. They switched votes.
what's the point of this
'when a mod fucks up the vote count'?-
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To confuse VCA? Cabd and Kasuki had roles that were not apparently useful either.-
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Cleared two players and outed you as scum. Certainly more than you and your slot has done.-
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A) Because I want to get lynched.
B) I did all of that. Cleared is a strong word, it is less likely that you and Ceph are scum than the average.
Grey, I am going to construct a post for you to use at the start of Day 4 after I flip town. I am an expert at scum so you know this post will be good for you to use after my town flip. I'll post it a little later for you. It'll include plenty of T-Bone insults with a side of blaming me for playing terrible and listing off all the reasons why I should have been scum. Trust me buddy, I got your back.-
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We have 13 days we're not lynching me yet.-
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In post 2692, Wisdom wrote:im sick of reading your posts, i hope we lynch you asap
and i hope you flip town so i can blacklist you
Blacklist me because you have a terrible approach to this game? Alright.
Silly Grey, I'll write one better for you. You were on the right track, though you called me scum and that isn't the case.-
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If we mislynch someone today and I am alive tomorrow in LyLo are you lynching anyone else? Yes or no?-
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Is Shos? Is GreyIce? Because that's three guaranteed votes to ensure town loses this game. I am playing to my win condition because I know at this point of the gamestate if I make it to LyLo the town loses. That is the gamestate. Sometimes when you play bad as town you need to die. Sometimes when another player fucks up their night action and accidentally incriminates you, you need to die.
So either we need to lynch scum, or we need to lynch me. And since too many players want to lynch me I don't think we're on track to lynch scum today, and every time I try to reach out to you, you blow me off. That's already one town player not interested in working with me. If you're not gonna do it now, you're not gonna do it ever, and I'm not letting you lynch me in LyLo just because you're too stubborn to change anything about your game.-
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I blocked Rhinox last night because I was afraid my reads were way off this game. I'm not 100% Grey is scum either and I use absolute language to try and reassure myself my read is correct. I'm not a very confident town player. I'm pretty good at pretending to be town and looking town, but not so good at actually being town. It doesn't help when you, when Shos, when greyice has an insult at me every third post. We're in a fucking game and you're threatening to blacklist me if I flip town. What in the actual fuck? Players can't have a bad game? yeah I fucked up a bit this game, shit happens. But every time I try to fucking reach out to you a few posts later you go back to shooting me down so I don't know what exactly you expect of me at this point. If you want to lynch me for real that's fine, but you're actively trying to lose the game for the town by dismissing me because you can't even consider that you are wrong. So yes, you are playing bad.-
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Well instead of lobbying to lynch me ASAP how about we talk about scumreads as if I was confirmed town for a bit? Would that be alright?-
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I am increasingly paranoid about my Grey read because if he's scum he has no reason to try and 1v1 me when I was doing a fine enough job to get myself lynched. Though Grey is an arrogant player and probably thinks he could walk away from my town flip unscathed anyway.
Iece is riding the fence so hard he's starting to bleed. There has been a lot going on in this day phase and he has to yet to really make a firm stance on anything. It's wishy-washy and to be honest I was townreading him mostly because he wasn't attacking me all game.
Feel like Tier has been let to slide in the background.
I feel like Shos is sticking by his obviously bad read on purpose because he is scum.
Ceph gets a lot of secondary and tertiary scumreads and that's sometimes the sign of scum.
I don't even know about NotSci and Reck.
I'd say a scumteam of Grey and Iece for sure for their respective play, not confident enough on anyone else to group them into scum.-
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I don't say cleared as an absolute, I say kind of clear because of the dichotomy of none nightactioned scum doing night kills. This point is rendered moot if scum has a strongman or ninja though, for example. I only know what I did and what maybe the result of those actions were. Heck, maybe I was roleblocked on night 1. I don't think I'd receive notification of it.-
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I was explaining re: wisdom and his 'clear' comment. Yes that's obvious that if I'm town I'm being bumblingly truthful and if I'm scum I have an agenda.-
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I said I kinda cleared two slots. At the very least they are less likely to be scum because of role interactions. That's it. Not that anyone is 100% town. Just that those two slots didn't do the night kill so that decreases their likelihood of being scum a little bit.-
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Reck, you received a message from mollie right? What was the subject of the message (if you can state).-
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Shos showing off his confirmbias once again. I was beginning to miss it. I mean I explained why I blocked Rhinox but completely gloss over it so you can call me scum some more.-
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Mod Error N! Result
I just had a random thought about the track result being the contents of a fake message from another player instead, since no one else has claimed a random result today. So I wanted to confirm with you to get rid of that possibility.-
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In post 2852, xRECKONERx wrote:If I were scum and had a messenger ability I'd probably use it to send out fake results.
But the PM said "N1 Result" and not "Event" or "Message" so I'm assuming it's an actual result.
(still supporting a massclaim atm)
Yeah that's the notion I thought of earlier, which is why I asked you.
For the record I blocked Eddie Night 1 and at the end of N! I received a message saying that Ceph was the target of a track and that it came back as Ceph visited no one, and the Mod assured me I was getting this intentionally. N2 I blocked Rhinox.-
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Wis I'll vote I eve or ceph when I get home but I eve is preferred for me at the moment because of things he's said this phase I don't like.-
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In post 2970, shos wrote:In post 2968, T-Bone wrote:Wis I'll vote I eve or ceph when I get home but I eve is preferred for me at the moment because of things he's said this phase I don't like.
I'm guessing "I eve" is the autocorrect version of "Iece"?
Wow never trying to phone post again.-
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Vote: Iecerint-
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Prod dodge, having a shit day.
I'd like to see iece and grey lynched tomorrow when you guys mislynch me. Just a plea from a soon-to-be confirmed townie.-
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In post 3316, shos wrote:hey guys I'm trying to not fall behind the game and all but gf is sick and she takes a lot of my time :/
I've read up, I don't have anything specific to say; you're all theorizing your momma over who can be what and with whom and all
this is wrong mafia play guys
scum are caught one by one.
In my eyes, the fact that we have gone so much time into the day and literally no wagon rose over 2-3 votes means we're on the right track. there's much resistance to what seems to be ALL wagons? when does that happen? when the wagons are on scum.
sooo I think that since me, tier and reck aren't quite the popular wagons everyone thinks will go throguh, I bet this is at least one scum voting, and at least 1 or 2 scums in the other wagons - {Tbone, Ceph, Iec}. this fits with my previous theory of Tbone and Iec scumtogeter, so I'm still leaning on checking that way.
itreallydoesn't look like any new arguments are being considered. it's all blabber of, we have X events, each one rates it differently by order of importance and alignment-telling level, and it's a dead end.
I offer a suggestion - we choose two/three wagons and focus on them. ifsomething new arises, of course, everyone can offer a new one; but for now, focus on less.
I want you to know that this was so bad wgurts threw up in his mouth.
With that said, because of my difficulties of engaging with well...anything this week I've asked my now dead teammates to help me out here, so even if you do mislynch me, you'll have the thoughts of three town players to work with afterwards. I'm also going on vacation this weekend (COMMUNE) so that means I won't even be here.
Right now wgurts is doing his VCA thing (you have no idea what it looks like when the Mod nearly puts a VC on every page). His early conclusion based on that is Iece and Ceph are scum. I'm not a big believer in VCA myself so forgive me if I don't sound enthusiastic over the reasoning. I do think Iece is scum, but that's based on his play rather than his votes on Day 1...-
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He's alright, but VCA is about as useful as meta, but nonetheless I am going to have my team help me out a bit this week while I try to get back on track again\.-
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Players who trumpet themselves up in-thread are players that generally don't get taken seriously...-
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Wis is right that the message is clear BUT Rock is extremely right that the role and others can be used by scum to fuck up the game so this argument is moot at best.
Also I'm not voting Rock he is painfully town.-
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In post 3458, Cephrir wrote:In post 3453, Wisdom wrote:His whole point is "omg but there are other misleading roles, having this misleading role doesnt make me scum, leave me alone"
and he is arguing against logic because he cant just drop that
If all bad arguments were from scum we'd have lynched shos a really long time ago.
Dammit Ceph I love you <3-
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In post 3475, Cephrir wrote:It has only just now occurred to me that the tracker probably didn't show up today on account of sending their result to rhinox
sorry for being off topic
Or its one-shot or someone was just fucking with me. Like I feel like something is wrong because compared to everyone else my role is mundane.-
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In post 3490, Cephrir wrote:In post 3487, T-Bone wrote:In post 3458, Cephrir wrote:In post 3453, Wisdom wrote:His whole point is "omg but there are other misleading roles, having this misleading role doesnt make me scum, leave me alone"
and he is arguing against logic because he cant just drop that
If all bad arguments were from scum we'd have lynched shos a really long time ago.
Dammit Ceph I love you <3
You seemed to hate me earlier! Is this half assed buddying?
just cheeky rhetoric in re:shos-
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Except I've had a town read on Rock pretty much the entire game so it has nothing to do with your arrogant posting.-
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Reck we are buddying hardcore!-
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In post 3511, Wisdom wrote:Tbone I actually dont think you are scumbuddies, I think you are just wrong. That was just kneejerk.
Please. I know you don't like my ways. But consider for a second that I am right and Reck is scum.
Just as you should consider I'm right and he's town. Like I'm not completely ignoring you or anything I just think we differ on a few key reads (Grey, Reck, Ceph), and from what my teammates have read so far. I don't think his play here, especially up to this point is indicative of Reckscum.
In post 3512, Cephrir wrote:T-Bone, I'd love it if you could take me through what the fuck actually happened with your slip-up at some point.
Just a case of me not paying attention. I felt like at that moment in time (and you can see the sequence of posts) that Grey slipped up by pushing me the way he did that I was just looking for any reason to go "aha! look at Grey continue to be scum!" and we were talking about Eddie and LLD at the time too, and I just crossed my streams so to speak.-
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Holy hell where did those 10 pages just come from?-
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When did this become Shos vs. Reck? (I know it was at Ceph but this was a left field thing for me)