In post 418, jasonT1981 wrote: In post 409, Thor665 wrote:What I voted you for initially - the unvote and immediate reactions thereafter.
I'll reply to the rest in the morning, but I actually didn't react at all to your vote or the reactions to it, I went about my business looking scum IMO. So I am curious to what you mean
I never said your reactions to my vote, I said your reactions.
In post 420, jasonT1981 wrote:well, one second you say I am lacking in scum hunting, the next I am pushing... which is it?
It is quite possible to be pushing someone without scumhunting them - notice that Pie literally just accussed me of the same. This is a pretty normal thing - why does it confuse you.
Also, why did you avoid my other questions?
In post 421, pieguyn wrote:I think in general, most of sthar's pushes have been rather weak. it feels like he's kind of poking at people here and there, but not actually doing anything that has town motivation.
You think he's actually poking anyone? I have him as active lurk.
In post 426, pieguyn wrote:the 2nd question. you're asking jason who he thinks the weakest player in the game is. what exactly is the point of this? how will jason answering *insert any answer here* tell you anything at all about his alignment? this doesn't have anything to do with what jason's angle actually is - which is that he is pushing people without regard to how weak or strong they are, not that he's going to magically avoid pushing a player just because he thinks they're weak.
He is claiming that he is not pushing someone he sees as weak.
All I'd like to know is who he sees as weaker than Boon.
If the answer is 'Boon' then I am curious at his issue with my statement.
If his answer is 'other than Boon' I'd just be mildly curious to hear why for info later.
I consider it quite valid to the attack he had about my attack on him.
In post 426, pieguyn wrote:re: 3rd question: why would scum jason need to be facetious about this? yes, it says one of the people may have went scum. OK. are you actually pushing this as a reason for thinking jason is scum? he would say that regardless of what his alignment in this game actually is.
He is clearly not being facetious about this - it was a choice of his team.
By extension logic, why refuse to claim town tokens? It does make a *lot* of sense to refuse to discuss tokens to protect scum token use - ergo, I submit this was a scummy action.
Also - it isn't and never was a question. I was stating a belief.
In post 426, pieguyn wrote:I don't understand what the point of the 4th question is either. first off, I think it's pretty apparent jason has reasons for Boon being scum that aren't based on playstyle
That's awesome, Jason does too.
Fenchurch agrees with me that he kind of doesn't.
I see no reason not to ask him to expound on his reasons that are not playstyle based in his own words.
I really see no reason to complain about asking him to do this. I mean, if you think he did do it...couldn't he just then answer me and be done with it? I don't get your boggle at all.
In post 426, pieguyn wrote:I don't see you actually asking jason about anything that's alignment-relevant here, or any of your other posts, really. none of what you're asking here adds anything to the game.
I disagree with you.
In post 426, pieguyn wrote:and yes, before anyone asks, I am more than aware of Thor's reputation for writing massive walls and getting into debates over specifics. I think Thor is scum specifically because of *what* he is asking about here.
Like what...specifically?
Just the above? Or something else?
In post 426, pieguyn wrote:first off, you're still calling jason scum for something he did in RVS on page Smurfing ......... 19? and there isn't a compelling reason it couldn't have been awkward-town instead of awkward-scum, either.
I see no connection between page number and scumminess and am unaware that something happening a long while ago makes it less scummy due to age.
Also, you agree it's awkward...so you do agree something odd happened, you just disagree on the alignment tell logic. Why? I find it quite likely to have alignment relevant info in awkward posts - I think that's about the best type of post to find alignment relative information because masks have slipped.
In post 426, pieguyn wrote:second off, this, again, betrays a contradictory mindset in your posts. these are your reasons for scum reading him. so,
WHY HAVE NONE OF THE QUESTIONS YOU'VE ASKED HIM THIS GAME HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF THESE THINGS?
Well, first off - yes, I have had questions relative to those points. You even complained about some of them.
Second off - there isn't actually a rule that says all questions have to directly relate to tells. You ask questions to generate tells, sometimes you question tells, but you do not, by definition, question every tell you have.
In post 426, pieguyn wrote:and still have not explained specifically *why* you actually think jason's Boon push is bad.
I thought me calling out the 'playstyle' element made that pretty clear, honestly.
In post 426, pieguyn wrote:I would expect a town player to spend more effort specifically breaking down jason's posts here and asking questions that are directly relevant to what jason is actually doing, as opposed to this.
BUT THE POST I MADE BREAKING DOWN JASON'S POST AND SPECIFICALLY ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT IT IS THE LYNCHPIN OF YOUR CASE THAT YOU JUST MADE.
Whut?
In post 426, pieguyn wrote:the STD push is more of the same. Thor is asking a bunch of questions that don't serve to accomplish anything or are otherwise entirely irrelevant, without doing anything that actually has town motivation. his STD read at the end of all this is - as far as I can tell, because it's Smurfing impossible to tell exactly what he thinks is scummy here - essentially still that STD is scum because his push didn't actually point out anything scum indicative and was entirely playstyle, but again, he doesn't elaborate on specifically *why* STD's push is bad and most of the questions he asks read more like he's just commenting on stuff for the sake of it. ex, in
381 he starts going on a tangent on STD's DW read and it's tedious to read/follow because it's not relevant to anything, nor does it have anything to do with what the reasoning behind his read on STD actually is.
I agree - it is impossible to follow my cases if you give up on reading the posts.